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Lake levels near record low
Second in a series on the environmental health of the Lake St. Clair basin.The water levels of Lake Huron and Lake St. Clair are nearing historic lows.
"We're not at historic lows, but we're close to historic lows," said Lana Pollack, U.S. chair of the International Joint Commission, speaking at the sixth Binational Lake St. Clair Conference, held at MacRay Harbor in Harrison Township on Nov. 29 and 30. "There's a 60 percent chance we'll hit it. That's good for phragmites, but not for boating."
On Nov. 30, according to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Detroit District, Lake Huron stood at 576.2 feet. The all time low for Lake Huron is 576.0 feet, set in March 1964.
"Lake Michigan-Huron is 16 inches lower than its level from last year," the Corps reported. "Over the next month, Lake Superior and Lake Michigan-Huron are each forecasted to drop 3 inches from their current levels."
Lakes Michigan and Huron are considered by hydrologists to be the same body of water.
Lake St. Clair stood at 572.6 feet on Nov. 30. The all time low for Lake St. Clair was reached in January of 1936 and January of 1926, when the levels bottomed out at 570.5 feet.
"The water levels of Lake St. Clair and Lake Erie are each expected to decline 1 inch over the next month," the Corps stated.
There has been a lot of speculation over the last few years about the cause of falling lake levels. Are the falling lake levels caused by climate change? Are forces of nature, including the weather, behind the drops? Or are they caused directly by human influences, such as dredging and diversions?
Residents around the Georgian Bay have blamed the dredging of the shipping channel at the mouth of the St. Clair River for much of the decline in Lake Huron. Others have blamed diversions of water out of the lakes.
"One factor that cannot be ignored is the diversion of more than 340 billion gallons of Great Lakes water each and every year through the Chicago Diversionary and Ship Canal," said U.S. Rep. Candice Miller, who represents the Voice readership area, in a Nov. 1 request of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to review the diversion, last done in 2009.
Experts at the Lake St. Clair Conference came down on the side of the forces of nature determining the drop, not direct human actions, such as diversions.
The big danger of the Chicago diversion is Asian carp coming in, not water going out, said Pollack.
"The truth of the matter is that diversions add more to the Great Lakes than they remove," said Adam Fox, a water resources planner with USACE.
The Ogoki and Long Lac diversions, which divert water from Hudson Bay into the Great Lakes, pour more water into Lake Superior than the Lake Michigan diversion at Chicago and the New York Barge Canal diversion, located between Lakes Erie and Ontario, take out of the lakes.
"The forces of nature have a much greater impact on the levels of the Great Lakes than human influences," said Fox.
Seasonally driven evaporation plays a particularly key role. The seasonal cycle typically sees snow and ice accumulation in and around the lakes in the winter, increased runoff into the lakes with snowmelt in the spring, increased water temperatures in the summer with the warm sunshine, followed by increased evaporation in the fall due to the warmer water.
"Last year we had a relatively snow-free, mild winter," said Fox.
The lakes were not recharged in the spring because there was little snow to melt. The subsequent drought in mid to late summer hastened the drop in water levels.
"In October, they crashed," Fox said.
Pollack sees climate change, fueled by human activities like gas-powered cars and coal-generated electricity, as the underlying cause of low lake levels.
"We're all dealing with climate change," said Pollack, pointing to everyone from the East Coast victims of Hurricane Sandy to American farmers. "Every one of us is living it."
On the oceans, higher global temperatures mean melting polar ice caps and higher water levels. On the Great Lakes, it's a different story.
Climate change means warmer weather, which means less ice cover on the lakes in the winter, which protects the water from evaporation.
"Less ice, more evaporation," said Pollack.
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PocketChange
18 December 2012 - 09:23 PM
"One factor that cannot be ignored is the diversion of more than 340 billion gallons of Great Lakes water each and every year through the Chicago Diversionary and Ship Canal," said U.S. Rep. Candice Miller"
So I have always wondered how much would this really impact the lakes....
Surface area of Superior = 31700 sq miles
Surface area of Michigan = 22300 sq miles
Surface area of Huron = 23000 sq miles
Total area sq miles = 77000
Total area sq feet = 2.14664e+12
340 billion gallons = 45,451,388 cubic feet
Drop of water level due to 340 billion gallons diverted =4.55e7 / 2.14e12 = 2.13e-5 feet = .00025 inches
Ok double check my math, but I am thinking as much as I don't agree with them diverting water it doesn't seem to make a big impact!!
So I have always wondered how much would this really impact the lakes....
Surface area of Superior = 31700 sq miles
Surface area of Michigan = 22300 sq miles
Surface area of Huron = 23000 sq miles
Total area sq miles = 77000
Total area sq feet = 2.14664e+12
340 billion gallons = 45,451,388 cubic feet
Drop of water level due to 340 billion gallons diverted =4.55e7 / 2.14e12 = 2.13e-5 feet = .00025 inches
Ok double check my math, but I am thinking as much as I don't agree with them diverting water it doesn't seem to make a big impact!!
Away Point
19 December 2012 - 06:57 AM
PocketChange, on 18 December 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:
"One factor that cannot be ignored is the diversion of more than 340 billion gallons of Great Lakes water each and every year through the Chicago Diversionary and Ship Canal," said U.S. Rep. Candice Miller"
So I have always wondered how much would this really impact the lakes....
Surface area of Superior = 31700 sq miles
Surface area of Michigan = 22300 sq miles
Surface area of Huron = 23000 sq miles
Total area sq miles = 77000
Total area sq feet = 2.14664e+12
340 billion gallons = 45,451,388 cubic feet
Drop of water level due to 340 billion gallons diverted =4.55e7 / 2.14e12 = 2.13e-5 feet = .00025 inches
Ok double check my math, but I am thinking as much as I don't agree with them diverting water it doesn't seem to make a big impact!!
So I have always wondered how much would this really impact the lakes....
Surface area of Superior = 31700 sq miles
Surface area of Michigan = 22300 sq miles
Surface area of Huron = 23000 sq miles
Total area sq miles = 77000
Total area sq feet = 2.14664e+12
340 billion gallons = 45,451,388 cubic feet
Drop of water level due to 340 billion gallons diverted =4.55e7 / 2.14e12 = 2.13e-5 feet = .00025 inches
Ok double check my math, but I am thinking as much as I don't agree with them diverting water it doesn't seem to make a big impact!!
This is the kind of thinking that gets far too little attention. Nice work!
I don't doubt there are things we could do much better in terms of us humans effecting the lakes, but I can't avoid hearing dire portrayals as just latest in a seemingly endless string of doom and gloom predictions which will never materialize to the degree feared.
raind2
19 December 2012 - 09:37 AM
My uncle up north emailed me yesterday and said, instead of building a bridge down there how about a dam to control the flow of water out to the ocean? hmm not a bad idea, I want the bridge too though.
KMC
19 December 2012 - 11:59 AM
raind2, on 19 December 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:
My uncle up north emailed me yesterday and said, instead of building a bridge down there how about a dam to control the flow of water out to the ocean? hmm not a bad idea, I want the bridge too though.
Just put a road on top of the dam like the old Hoover Dam and you're all set!
That's mean we'd have some more cool locks so we could stop by and see the big boats go through!
EMS
19 December 2012 - 12:48 PM
SauKong, on 18 December 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:
Second in a series on the environmental health of the Lake St. Clair basin.
The water levels of Lake Huron and Lake St. Clair are nearing historic lows.
"We're not at historic lows, but we're close to historic lows," said Lana Pollack, U.S. chair of the International Joint Commission, speaking at the sixth Binational Lake St. Clair Conference, held at MacRay Harbor in Harrison Township on Nov. 29 and 30. "There's a 60 percent chance we'll hit it. That's good for phragmites, but not for boating."
*** 60% IS THAT JUST A SHOT IN THE DARK?***
There has been a lot of speculation over the last few years about the cause of falling lake levels. Are the falling lake levels caused by climate change? Are forces of nature, including the weather, behind the drops? Or are they caused directly by human influences, such as dredging and diversions?
***WHAT CASUED THE DROPS IN 1924, 1934, ETC...?***
Residents around the Georgian Bay have blamed the dredging of the shipping channel at the mouth of the St. Clair River for much of the decline in Lake Huron. Others have blamed diversions of water out of the lakes.
"One factor that cannot be ignored is the diversion of more than 340 billion gallons of Great Lakes water each and every year through the Chicago Diversionary and Ship Canal," said U.S. Rep. Candice Miller, who represents the Voice readership area, in a Nov. 1 request of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to review the diversion, last done in 2009.
***Thanks Chicago, and they gave us Obama too***
Experts at the Lake St. Clair Conference came down on the side of the forces of nature determining the drop, not direct human actions, such as diversions.
***lies it has to be global warming! has to be! because lake levels never been this low ever...oh wait ...***
The big danger of the Chicago diversion is Asian carp coming in, not water going out, said Pollack.
*** so taking water out is no issue?***
"The truth of the matter is that diversions add more to the Great Lakes than they remove," said Adam Fox, a water resources planner with USACE.
***Taking away adds more then they remove? Try that with your bank account, does that add up?***
"The forces of nature have a much greater impact on the levels of the Great Lakes than human influences," said Fox.
*** no way! global warming! doesnt this person know? why does this person hate the environment?*** lol
Pollack sees climate change, fueled by human activities like gas-powered cars and coal-generated electricity, as the underlying cause of low lake levels.
***Pollack is a very special person***
"We're all dealing with climate change," said Pollack, pointing to everyone from the East Coast victims of Hurricane Sandy to American farmers. "Every one of us is living it."
*** Yes because there has never been tragic weather n the history of the USA...NEVER...***
***mAYBE ASK ABOUT GOVT GRANTS PEOPLE GET TO MAKE UP GLOBAL WARMING NUMBERS, AND WHO KNOW WHAT THE TEMP IS IDEAL?***
On the oceans, higher global temperatures mean melting polar ice caps and higher water levels. On the Great Lakes, it's a different story.
*** BUT STILL BRING IT UP, EVEN THOUGH ITS A DIFFERENT STORY, AND LOOK AND SOUTHERN ICE CAPS...NO NO IGNORE THEM***
Climate change means warmer weather, which means less ice cover on the lakes in the winter, which protects the water from evaporation.
*** Climate Change means Climate change does not mean warmer weather...could mean colder? ahhh what do we know***
"Less ice, more evaporation," said Pollack. *** rocket scientist!***
See the full article
See the article on LSCN
The water levels of Lake Huron and Lake St. Clair are nearing historic lows.
"We're not at historic lows, but we're close to historic lows," said Lana Pollack, U.S. chair of the International Joint Commission, speaking at the sixth Binational Lake St. Clair Conference, held at MacRay Harbor in Harrison Township on Nov. 29 and 30. "There's a 60 percent chance we'll hit it. That's good for phragmites, but not for boating."
*** 60% IS THAT JUST A SHOT IN THE DARK?***
There has been a lot of speculation over the last few years about the cause of falling lake levels. Are the falling lake levels caused by climate change? Are forces of nature, including the weather, behind the drops? Or are they caused directly by human influences, such as dredging and diversions?
***WHAT CASUED THE DROPS IN 1924, 1934, ETC...?***
Residents around the Georgian Bay have blamed the dredging of the shipping channel at the mouth of the St. Clair River for much of the decline in Lake Huron. Others have blamed diversions of water out of the lakes.
"One factor that cannot be ignored is the diversion of more than 340 billion gallons of Great Lakes water each and every year through the Chicago Diversionary and Ship Canal," said U.S. Rep. Candice Miller, who represents the Voice readership area, in a Nov. 1 request of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to review the diversion, last done in 2009.
***Thanks Chicago, and they gave us Obama too***
Experts at the Lake St. Clair Conference came down on the side of the forces of nature determining the drop, not direct human actions, such as diversions.
***lies it has to be global warming! has to be! because lake levels never been this low ever...oh wait ...***
The big danger of the Chicago diversion is Asian carp coming in, not water going out, said Pollack.
*** so taking water out is no issue?***
"The truth of the matter is that diversions add more to the Great Lakes than they remove," said Adam Fox, a water resources planner with USACE.
***Taking away adds more then they remove? Try that with your bank account, does that add up?***
"The forces of nature have a much greater impact on the levels of the Great Lakes than human influences," said Fox.
*** no way! global warming! doesnt this person know? why does this person hate the environment?*** lol
Pollack sees climate change, fueled by human activities like gas-powered cars and coal-generated electricity, as the underlying cause of low lake levels.
***Pollack is a very special person***
"We're all dealing with climate change," said Pollack, pointing to everyone from the East Coast victims of Hurricane Sandy to American farmers. "Every one of us is living it."
*** Yes because there has never been tragic weather n the history of the USA...NEVER...***
***mAYBE ASK ABOUT GOVT GRANTS PEOPLE GET TO MAKE UP GLOBAL WARMING NUMBERS, AND WHO KNOW WHAT THE TEMP IS IDEAL?***
On the oceans, higher global temperatures mean melting polar ice caps and higher water levels. On the Great Lakes, it's a different story.
*** BUT STILL BRING IT UP, EVEN THOUGH ITS A DIFFERENT STORY, AND LOOK AND SOUTHERN ICE CAPS...NO NO IGNORE THEM***
Climate change means warmer weather, which means less ice cover on the lakes in the winter, which protects the water from evaporation.
*** Climate Change means Climate change does not mean warmer weather...could mean colder? ahhh what do we know***
"Less ice, more evaporation," said Pollack. *** rocket scientist!***
See the full article
See the article on LSCN
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