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"Holy Grail" of Great Lakes shipwrecks found HMS Ontario, lost in 1780

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Posted 13 June 2008 - 10:13 PM

Pretty cool...
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Posted 13 June 2008 - 10:28 PM

very cool indeed

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Posted 14 June 2008 - 05:30 AM

Wow! What a cool story...........

Thanks for posting it......... biggrin.gif




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Posted 14 June 2008 - 06:54 AM

Incredible. sunglass2.gif
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  Posted 14 June 2008 - 08:04 AM

Very nice article, but I just know what some people will do to this incredible treasure. They will loot it, instead of leaving it intact for history. Just like Titanic. I wish they had never found her, or at least Bob Ballard had claimed rights to her to keep her intact.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 08:30 AM

How many looters will you think that you would get at 500 feet deep and what value would they get off of that ship????

Unless your talking a large company with lots of equipment that can handle the depths....




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Posted 14 June 2008 - 09:27 AM

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Hope they protect its natural state! Just to think its been sitting in that exact condition for all these years!
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 02:41 PM

i say bring it up, and stick it in a museum. its part of history.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 02:46 PM

QUOTE(3crabs @ Jun 14 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i say bring it up, and stick it in a museum. its part of history.



Wouldn't that be like desecrating a grave site?

Amazing story tho!!
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 02:52 PM

Great story!!!!




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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:18 PM

I'd like to see it raised and displayed... very, very few divers are going to be diving it at 500ft, if any.
There are a pretty good number of undiscovered shipwrecks in the lakes... some with tales of riches aboard.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:27 PM

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Wouldn't that be like desecrating a grave site?

Amazing story tho!!

I'm sure any bodies have long disappeared, along with bones floating off....besides, it wouldn't be the first time....I think this is worthy of bringing up and being displayed for all to learn from. I find this most fascinating, especially since me and my daughter just went through all of this with her school work.
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Posted 14 June 2008 - 10:38 PM

Yes, something that is as interesting as this should be raised for all to enjoy
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 01:43 PM

Here is some great underwater video of the wreck site: HMS Ontario

As for this being declared a war grave, that is the first thing Governments declare when they dont want ANYONE gong near it. Technically, it is not a war grave as no one was intentionally interred here, but many, both British and American soldiers, did die here. This site should be classified as an "accident scene" as that is what it is. Is there the possibiity of human remains to be found onboard, very possibly. At least skeletal remains. For the same reasons that the ship, wood, is in such remarkable condition, (water depth, lack of light) so would the soilders/sailors remains.

Another way to look at this is that the two "hobby wreck searchers" who spent nearly 35 yrs looking for this ship, found this ship and took several hours of video before announcing their find, will NEVER, EVER, EVER be allowed to visit the ship again. Even by ROV. It is now off-limits to the world but a few who may come in and study her, to make discoveries on her, on their own. All this before she collapses under the weight of all the zebra muscles she is covered with.

One of the professional forums I belong too has a very heated debate gong on right now about this ship and excatly what I have touched on here. Regardless though, she is a beautiful vessel.
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Posted 15 June 2008 - 04:20 PM

QUOTE(supersport @ Jun 14 2008, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(3crabs @ Jun 14 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i say bring it up, and stick it in a museum. its part of history.

Wouldn't that be like desecrating a grave site?


I don't see it as desecrating a grave site, rather just the opposite, by honoring the dead for hundreds possibly thousands of years to come in a museum.
Think of the history lesson alone that can be revisited by all that would see the ship in person. A display listing the British Officers, the War Prisoners.
(anyone ever visit the old war ship parked in Baltimore bay? its a huge attraction)

grave sites are moved from time to time to accodomate the living. in this case the corpse are hundreds of years old, so upsetting a close relative would not be a issue.
be honest, whens the last time you visited your parents(if their deceased) or your grand parents grave. how about your grand parents grand parents grave. I bet most here could not even tell you their names, or tell you where their burried. (im sure a few can, but i bet its rare)
How many of you are deeply disturbed when they uncover Egyptian grave sites?
My opinion, I see no disrespect in moving the vessel, if its being moved for display and museum purposes.

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