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Posted 11 April 2012 - 09:08 PM

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Arianna Huffington: Afghanistan war is AWOL issue in 2012 presidential campaign
April 10, 2012

You'd think a 10 1 / 2year war would be a major issue in a presidential campaign - especially a war going as badly as the one in Afghanistan. And especially in the wake of Sen. Jay Rockefeller publicly urging President Obama to speed up the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Maybe if the administration proposed funding a Planned Parenthood clinic in Kandahar, the war might get the place it deserves in the national conversation.

Our political and media establishments seem to regard being in a constant state of war as simply part of the "new normal" (to go along with over 8 percent unemployment). Things continue to go from bad to worse, yet we continue to be wedded to plans for a gradual withdrawal that will leave troops in Afghanistan until some point in 2014.

But even though our leaders don't seem to feel any sense of urgency, plenty of others here at home do - indeed, the vast majority does. According to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, support for the war has hit a historic low, at 23 percent, with 69 percent saying we should no longer be in Afghanistan. What is more, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll, 60 percent of Americans believe the war has not even been worth fighting.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta's response to this turning of public sentiment against the war? "We cannot fight wars by polls," he said. "If we do that we're in deep trouble." Of course that's true, and nobody's asking him to "fight wars by polls," but what he can do is use the same common sense that underlies those polls. We're over 10 years in - these aren't snap judgments. And the fact that we're in "deep trouble" in Afghanistan has nothing to do with our leaders being overly responsive to the public's wishes.

Of course, the war was back in the news most recently because of the horrific killing of 17 Afghan civilians, allegedly by Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales. This senseless and grotesque act of violence was both an aberration and not an aberration. It was an aberration in the sense that it in no way represents the behavior of the more than 2 million men and women who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan since 9/11. But it was not an aberration in the sense that war is indeed hell and atrocities - even by the best-trained armed forces, and ours is certainly that - are inevitable in prolonged conflict.


http://articles.sun-...istan-news-poll



I thought people voted for Obama because Afghanistan was the 'Right War'...???



So do you think it was a bad choice to go into Afghanistan? What is the "right" choice?


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Posted 11 April 2012 - 10:38 PM

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Posted 12 April 2012 - 05:52 AM

I know of many people who voted for Obama because they preferred his position on the war on terror rather than that of President Bush. Americans voiced strong opposition to the Bush strategy. They opposed the cost. They reminded us daily of the loss of lives.

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And as OMOTS would say, "No surprise there!" :lol:


You do recall that narrative don’t you????? It was talked about within this forum… daily.

Candidate Obama got rousing cheers from is supporters as he made references to the ongoing war on terror. They approved of his position and likely voted for him because they believed he would end these wars. Only a fool would believe that was NOT a factor. They certainly were not voting for him because of his extensive foreign policy experience or solid business background.


Then Obama takes office. The same people who were loud voices, opposing the war turned nearly silent. The Press became willing accomplices. Updates on war casualties were no long front page news.

Then Obama increased the number of troops in Afghanistan and again the same people who were so unrelenting during the previous administration toned down the rhetoric. Some voiced a concern but the majority did not take the same approach they did with Bush. The same happened in this political forum.

View PostSnooze Ya looze, on 11 April 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:



And as OMOTS would say, "No surprise there!" :lol:


Opinions about how George Bush was conducting the war on terror were a favorite topic by those who leaned left. Since Obama became President the topic is no long of interest to the left winger.

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And as OMOTS would say, "No surprise there!" :lol:


I see it as a shining example of left wing hypocrisy.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:08 AM

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Arianna Huffington: Afghanistan war is AWOL issue in 2012 presidential campaign
April 10, 2012

You'd think a 10 1 / 2year war would be a major issue in a presidential campaign - especially a war going as badly as the one in Afghanistan. And especially in the wake of Sen. Jay Rockefeller publicly urging President Obama to speed up the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Maybe if the administration proposed funding a Planned Parenthood clinic in Kandahar, the war might get the place it deserves in the national conversation.

Our political and media establishments seem to regard being in a constant state of war as simply part of the "new normal" (to go along with over 8 percent unemployment). Things continue to go from bad to worse, yet we continue to be wedded to plans for a gradual withdrawal that will leave troops in Afghanistan until some point in 2014.

But even though our leaders don't seem to feel any sense of urgency, plenty of others here at home do - indeed, the vast majority does. According to a recent New York Times/CBS News poll, support for the war has hit a historic low, at 23 percent, with 69 percent saying we should no longer be in Afghanistan. What is more, according to a Washington Post/ABC News poll, 60 percent of Americans believe the war has not even been worth fighting.

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta's response to this turning of public sentiment against the war? "We cannot fight wars by polls," he said. "If we do that we're in deep trouble." Of course that's true, and nobody's asking him to "fight wars by polls," but what he can do is use the same common sense that underlies those polls. We're over 10 years in - these aren't snap judgments. And the fact that we're in "deep trouble" in Afghanistan has nothing to do with our leaders being overly responsive to the public's wishes.

Of course, the war was back in the news most recently because of the horrific killing of 17 Afghan civilians, allegedly by Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales. This senseless and grotesque act of violence was both an aberration and not an aberration. It was an aberration in the sense that it in no way represents the behavior of the more than 2 million men and women who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan since 9/11. But it was not an aberration in the sense that war is indeed hell and atrocities - even by the best-trained armed forces, and ours is certainly that - are inevitable in prolonged conflict.


http://articles.sun-...istan-news-poll



I thought people voted for Obama because Afghanistan was the 'Right War'...???



So do you think it was a bad choice to go into Afghanistan? What is the "right" choice?

No answer?



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Posted 12 April 2012 - 08:57 AM

View PostSensei, on 12 April 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:


No answer?



I believe I answered your same question a long, long time ago. In this topic or in another.

I don't think you liked my answer then... so what would be the point of offering one now?? :uhm
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 01:25 PM

View PostHookedagain, on 12 April 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostSensei, on 12 April 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

No answer?



I believe I answered your same question a long, long time ago. In this topic or in another.

I don't think you liked my answer then... so what would be the point of offering one now?? :uhm


See how that works?
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 11:52 AM

View Posttcg, on 12 April 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

View PostHookedagain, on 12 April 2012 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostSensei, on 12 April 2012 - 08:08 AM, said:

No answer?



I believe I answered your same question a long, long time ago. In this topic or in another.

I don't think you liked my answer then... so what would be the point of offering one now?? :uhm


See how that works?


It's just kind of sad. I coach alot of kids sports and we always have one parent who won't help or do anything but they love to sit back and talk about what all the coaches are doing wrong.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 12:07 PM

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Posted 15 April 2012 - 06:05 AM

Taliban launch raids on Kabul and other Afghan targets

http://www.bbc.co.uk...d-asia-17719956


http://m.voanews.com...-147486535.html
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:42 AM

Obama’s Watch: 39 Months, 69 Percent of Afghan War Casualties
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Posted 10 August 2012 - 05:10 AM

Gunman in Afghanistan forces uniform kills 3 American troops in Helmand province
August 10, 2012

(CBS News) - A gunman wearing an Afghan uniform has shot to death three American troops in the southern Helmand province, according to the U.S.-led international military coalition in the country, known as ISAF.

The attack brings to seven the number of Americans killed in Afghanistan this week.
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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:27 AM

Afghanistan suicide bombings leave several dead.

At least 28 people have been killed and 70 injured in attacks that occurred in relatively peaceful city of Zaranj in Nimroz province.

http://www.washingto...b285_story.html
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Afghanistan war: Can the US gains last?

Almost 11 years into the US-led war in Afghanistan, the situation still remains so tenuous in some parts of Afghanistan that locals worry about the safety of accepting aid from the West.


http://www.csmonitor...e-US-gains-last
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While Team Obama fabricates and proliferates false stories about Mitt Romney causing deaths and not paying taxes, American soldiers continue to die in Afghanistan at the hands of thugs disguised in Afghan uniforms.


Where is Obama’s outrage at the unholy betrayal and slaughter of American soldiers by Religion of Peace soldiers?


http://www.canadafre...p/article/48783
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:26 AM

What is Romney's plan for Afghanistan?
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 03:33 AM

Yearly breakdown of U.S. deaths In Afghanistan since start of the war:

-2001: 3

-2002: 23

-2003: 30

-2004: 49

-2005: 93

-2006: 88

-2007: 110

-2008: 151

-2009: 305

-2010: 492

-2011: 398

-2012: 219 
with little over 4 months remaining. 
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 04:21 AM

What is Romney's plan for Afghanistan?

Probably not good campaign strategy to tell anyone.
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