[raind2]

Away Point, on 19 March 2012 - 06:00 PM, said:

tcg, on 19 March 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

Why is it when we have an unusually cold winter there is no end to the posts about global warming being a hoax.

How come I haven't seen any posts pointing to our ridiculously unusually warm weather using it to explain climate change as a hoax?

Why? Because its pointless.

Some see a warm day and blame oil. Some think government has power over the atmosphere via taxing and regulate humans.

While others realize it has been both much cooler and warmer than this before, that the sun is where all heat on earth comes from, and that government will never save us from anything.

Yes the sun is very bright, but it's not getting brighter.



Snooze, that's freakin' crazy!

[raind2]

How to talk to a climate skeptic....

http://grist.org/series/skeptics/

[canaller]

raind2, on 20 March 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

How to talk to a climate skeptic....

http://grist.org/series/skeptics/

You could be making a mistake , thinking that facts might stand in the way of opinion.

Who needs reality when you can just make the stuff up?

[raind2]

Perhaps the next war may well be for water.....maybe we could just say well war; water well, oil well, oh hell.

[SeaSlut]

Embrace global warming, it's where the weather suits my clothes....

[Away Point]

Call me a skeptic all you want. I'm not the one willing to look the other way as billions of tax dollars are directed to favored groups.

In some ways, I actually hope you guys are right, because it would help make the price we're going to pay worthwhile. We're shutting down all aspects of energy--the very thing which makes quality of life possible.

It must be a very empowering thing to believe one is actually saving the planet. It sure would be a let down to lose that feeling of power and righteousness. Perhaps that explains some of the animosity at even considering other possibilities.

Just the fact that "believers" insist on framing the arguments in terms such as skeptic, pro pollution, etc., says a lot too. No one is contending the climate doesn't change, or that man's activities couldn't have some impact. The climate is always changing. The question is, is empowering our government with dictator-like powers to force what politicians, with big wads of our money in hand, deem as "reasoned approach" to our relationship with Mother Earth, is a good idea. I think not.

[tcg]

Away Point, on 21 March 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

Call me a skeptic all you want. I'm not the one willing to look the other way as billions of tax dollars are directed to favored groups.

I don't care who you are that right there is funny. You are voting for a party that most certainly directs tax dollars to their favored groups. Including groups in the alternative energy field.

But tell yourself whatever you need to in order to justify voting republican.

Source

Mr. McConnell made two personal appeals in 2009, asking Energy Secretary Steven Chu to approve as much as $235 million in federal loans for a plant to build electric vehicles in Franklin, Ky.

"I hope you will realize the importance of such job creation to Kentucky," Mr. McConnell said in a July 2009 memo supporting an application from Zap Motor Manufacturing.

Federal lobbying disclosure records show that Mr. McConnell's support for the project came after Zap Motor hired a Kentucky-based lobbyist, Robert Babbage, who has been a frequent contributor to Mr. McConnell's campaigns and boasts on his own Internet site about his close ties to Mr. McConnell.

Another Republican, Representative Lamar Smith of Texas, recently asked Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to appoint an outside investigator to determine how the Department of Energy distributes clean-energy money. But in 2009, Mr. Smith wrote to Mr. Chu asking him to approve loan guarantees from stimulus money for a Texas project proposed by Tessera Solar, documents show.

Representative Fred Upton, Republican of Michigan and another critic of the Energy Department program, signed letters along with other members of the Michigan delegation in 2009 and 2010, pushing at least five clean-energy projects in his state, including a $207 million loan request from EcoMotors International. And Representative Cliff Stearns, Republican of Florida, praised the opening last year of a lithium-ion battery manufacturing plant in his state, which relied upon an Energy Department grant.

Mr. Smith, along with the others, defended their actions, saying lawmakers can be critical of the Energy Department programs while still seeking money.
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Documents obtained by The Associated Press show the Louisiana Republican wrote to the Energy Department at least seven times since 2009 seeking money for projects that would benefit his home state.

One of the projects backed by Vitter - for a company that makes activated carbon to reduce pollution at coal-fired power plants - has received preliminary approval for a $245 million loan guarantee.

Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., who chairs a subcommittee that is investigating the Solyndra deal, also has supported projects that promote green jobs. Stearns, who heads the House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on oversight and investigations, endorsed a battery manufacturing plant in Jacksonville. The Saft America Inc. plant makes lithium-ion battery cells for military hybrid vehicles and solar and wind energy storage. The plant received a $95.5 million grant from the Energy Department through the stimulus law.
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Boehner is backing a $2 billion Energy Department loan guarantee sought by USEC Inc. (USU) for its American Centrifuge Plant in Piketon, Ohio, aimed at enriching uranium for commercial nuclear reactors.

This post has been edited by tcg: 21 March 2012 - 08:22 AM

[raind2]

On the plus side AP you may not have to wait for boat season in the future....and:

• Arctic, Antarctic, Siberia, and other frozen regions of earth may experience more plant growth and milder climates.
• The next ice age may be prevented from occurring.
• Northwest Passage through Canada's formerly-icy north opens up to sea transportation.
• Less need for energy consumption to warm cold places.
• Fewer deaths or injuries due to cold weather.
• Longer growing seasons could mean increased agricultural production in some local areas.
• Mountains increase in height due to melting glaciers, becoming higher as they rebound against the missing weight of the ice.
• Boundary disputes between countries over low-lying islands will disappear.

BUT:



Disadvantages of Global Warming

• Ocean circulation disrupted, disrupting and having unknown effects on world climate.
• Higher sea level leading to flooding of low-lying lands and deaths and disease from flood and evacuation.
• Deserts get drier leaving to increased desertification.
• Changes to agricultural production that can lead to food shortages.
• Water shortages in already water-scarce areas.
• Starvation, malnutrition, and increased deaths due to food and crop shortages.
• More extreme weather and an increased frequency of severe and catastrophic storms.
• Increased disease in humans and animals.
• Increased deaths from heat waves.
• Extinction of additional species of animals and plants.
• Loss of animal and plant habitats.
• Increased emigration of those from poorer or low-lying countries to wealthier or higher countries seeking better (or non-deadly) conditions.
• Additional use of energy resources for cooling needs.
• Increased air pollution.
• Increased allergy and asthma rates due to earlier blooming of plants.
• Melt of permafrost leads to destruction of structures, landslides, and avalanches.
• Permanent loss of glaciers and ice sheets.
• Cultural or heritage sites destroyed faster due to increased extremes.
• Increased acidity of rainfall.
• Earlier drying of forests leading to increased forest fires in size and intensity.
• Increased cost of insurance as insurers pay out more claims resulting from increasingly large disasters.
• Aggressiveness will increase, leading to an increase in the murder rate.

Here is a list of organizations that accept anthropogenic global warming as real and scientifically well-supported:

• NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
• National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa...balwarming.html
• Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/...r/wg1/index.htm
• National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu...ming/index.html
• State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC) – http://www.socc.ca/p...st_future_e.cfm
• Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
• The Royal Society of the UK (RS) – http://www.royalsoc....age.asp?id=3135
• American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/s...e_position.html
• American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.o...earch_2003.html
• American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
• National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
• American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.o...tacademies.html
• Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/c...changepole.html

But if scientists are too liberal and politicians too unreliable, perhaps you find the opinion of key industry representatives more convincing:

• BP, the largest oil company in the UK and one of the largest in the world, has this opinion:
  
  There is an increasing consensus that climate change is linked to the consumption of carbon based fuels and that action is required now to avoid further increases in carbon emissions as the global demand for energy increases.
• Shell Oil (yes, as in oil, the fossil fuel) says:
  
  Shell shares the widespread concern that the emission of greenhouse gases from human activities is leading to changes in the global climate.
• Eighteen CEOs of Canada’s largest corporations had this to say in an open letter to the Prime Minister of Canada:
  
  Our organizations accept that a strong response is required to the strengthening evidence in the scientific assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). We accept the IPCC consensus that climate change raises the risk of severe consequences for human health and security and the environment. We note that Canada is particularly vulnerable to the impacts of climate change.

Have the environazis seized the reigns of industrial power, in addition to infiltrating the U.N., the science academies of every developed nation, and the top research institutes of North America? That just doesn’t seem very likely.

[KMC]

raind2, on 21 March 2012 - 05:11 PM, said:

Have the environazis seized the reigns of industrial power, in addition to infiltrating the U.N., the science academies of every developed nation, and the top research institutes of North America? That just doesn’t seem very likely.

Wouldn't surprise me to have folks putting on faces like that... so they could cash in on the billions of tax dollars that are directed to favored groups.

[raind2]

Kind of like Halliburton in reverse huh?

Former President George H.W. Bush and ex-Secretary of State James Baker were part of a negotiating team that convinced Nigerian government officials to drop bribery charges against Dick Cheney and Halliburton, the oil services firm he led prior to becoming vice president.

Earlier this week, Babafemi said Halliburton agreed during negotiation talks to a "plea bargain" and to "pay $250 million in fines in lieu of prosecution." He said the Nigerian government accepted the terms of the settlement.

Last week, after the indictment was filed in Abuja, Nigeria's capitol, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said,

"We do not believe that there will be a basis for further action (requiring Cheney to respond to the charges), but we will look into it."

Moreover, Johnnie Carson, the US Assistant Secretary, Bureau of African Affairs, told reporters during a conference call last week that the US government was closely following the case against Cheney and had already engaged in discussions about it with Nigerian authorities.

As Truthout previously reported, the charges revolve around $180 million in bribes executives who worked for Halliburton's former subsidiary, Kellogg, Brown & Root (KBR) paid to Nigerian government officials between 1994 and 2004 in exchange for $6 billion in construction contracts for the Bonny Island natural gas liquefaction plant.

[EMS]

But securing our borders is not national security aye Janet?
Look at the borders!

And CUT the military, becasue somehow in the messed up progressive world we live in the damn weather possibly changing 0.5 degrees in 50 years is item number 1 !

How do they not kno wthat that is a GOOD change?
How do they know that it may not be preventable period!
Need crisis to steal from the public

Not to mention the energy we have we are destroying it so we can;t even get it....that will in itself cripple us...THAT IS A REAL MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY.

It is amazing this is what passes of as reality now days with News media, politicians, Ivy league schools..and campuses around the nation.

Old Man of the Sea, on 21 December 2010 - 12:21 PM, said:

Janet Napolitano says it is according to this article. I think this guy has a valid point. What do you think?

Jim
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<b>Janet Napolitano calls global warming an issue of national security</b>
December 20, 2010

<a href="http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/12/20/janet-napolitano-calls-global-warming-an-issue-of-national-security/" target="_blank">http://americaswatchtower.com/2010/12/20/j...ional-security/</a>

by Steve Dennis

Today the White House held something that they called the “environmental justice” conference and we learned that Janet Napolitano now considers global warming to be a threat to national security; <b>she is creating a new department under Homeland Security called the Climate Change and Adaptation Task Force, which will be tasked with “identifying and assessing the impact that climate change could have on the missions and operations of the Department of Homeland Security.”</b>

Let us pretend for the sake of this post that man-made global warming was in fact real and let us pretend that ClimateGate did not prove that scientists fraudulently manipulated the data to ”prove” global warming did exist to ensure that the grant money kept flowing into their coffers as well as the pockets of those who are profiting from the hoax. With that stipulated, how does this constitute a threat to national security?

While the Department of Homeland Security can’t seem to focus on the issues which fall within their jurisdiction–the porous Mexican border and fighting terrorism comes to mind–they seem to have the time and the resources to dedicate to a non-existent problem, which even if it were real wouldn’t have anything to do with national security.

Between the EPA preparing to institute cap and trade legislation, and with the FCC preparing to institute internet regulations, the last thing that the American people need is yet another government agency expanding their powers beyond the original intent of that agency and that is exactly what is going on here.

The federal government is rapidly expanding and assuming more power over the American people under Barack Obama and they are using fear to accomplish these goals. The Obama regime is constantly operating under the premise of manufactured crisis and they are doing this to step on the rights and liberties of the very people they are supposed to be protecting from threats foreign and domestic. Barack Obama has been unable to pass the most radical parts of his agenda by getting legislation passed in the Congress so he is bypassing the Congress and is attempting to have his agenda implemented by dictate. This is just the latest example.

It is time for the American people to say enough is enough. <b>Doesn’t Janet Napolitano’s Department of Homeland Security have more pressing priorities which they should be focusing on rather than imposing their will over FEMA in the case of NATURAL disasters? It certainly seems so to me. But the Department of Homeland Security doesn’t even want to admit that radicalized Muslims are enemies to the United States; they refuse to even call the terrorists what they are because they are afraid of offending them and they are afraid to secure the Mexican border for fear of offending the Mexicans. It appears to me that the only people that Janet Napolitano is not afraid to offend is the American people themselves, for we are the targets under this new “environmental justice” department in Homeland Security.</b>

[canaller]

I say after we outlaw hoodies we outlaw Ivy League schools.

Too many people are learning how to spell.

[EMS]

Halibuton offered a service that was wanted.
So its bad to pay for something you want in liberal land, it should be free

Govt involved and fredoms your born withm, they cost money
Want to fish to catch a fish and eat it, pay me the govt so i can allow you to do so
You hae land, you want to plant a garden? pay me permit $ so i will let you do so

Offered by manufacturing you want birth control
This should be free

Just simpleton observations people.


hEATHCARE IS YOUR RESPONSABILITYM, TOCARE FOR YOUR HEALTH BEST YOU CAN

HEALTH INSURANCE IS THAT, INSURANCE TO ASSIST YOU WHEN NEEDED...LIKE AUTO INSURANCE.
But health insurance is so expensive becasue Government is doing to it what can be only called as severe f*cking.and your welcome for the high costs that government creates..

The day a liberal is willing to earn something verses create a government policy to get it for "free" will be the day global warming will be called fake. Weknow it cannot be controlled by driving a prius, or by making heating our house and fueling up our car so expensive we cant afford to do it...

[tcg]

EMS, on 01 April 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Halibuton offered a service that was wanted.
So its bad to pay for something you want in liberal land, it should be free

Govt involved and fredoms your born withm, they cost money
Want to fish to catch a fish and eat it, pay me the govt so i can allow you to do so
You hae land, you want to plant a garden? pay me permit $ so i will let you do so

Offered by manufacturing you want birth control
This should be free

Just simpleton observations people.


hEATHCARE IS YOUR RESPONSABILITYM, TOCARE FOR YOUR HEALTH BEST YOU CAN

HEALTH INSURANCE IS THAT, INSURANCE TO ASSIST YOU WHEN NEEDED...LIKE AUTO INSURANCE.
But health insurance is so expensive becasue Government is doing to it what can be only called as severe f*cking.and your welcome for the high costs that government creates..

The day a liberal is willing to earn something verses create a government policy to get it for "free" will be the day global warming will be called fake. Weknow it cannot be controlled by driving a prius, or by making heating our house and fueling up our car so expensive we cant afford to do it...

Couldn't you have used your time away brushing up on grammar and spelling?

A 35 year old man has finally got a job that allows him to afford health insurance. Unfortunately he and the insurance industry has discovered he has cancer. No one will insure him now that he has the ability to buy insurance.

Tough luck for him?

[EMS]

tcg, on 01 April 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

EMS, on 01 April 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Halibuton offered a service that was wanted.
So its bad to pay for something you want in liberal land, it should be free

Govt involved and fredoms your born withm, they cost money
Want to fish to catch a fish and eat it, pay me the govt so i can allow you to do so
You hae land, you want to plant a garden? pay me permit $ so i will let you do so

Offered by manufacturing you want birth control
This should be free

Just simpleton observations people.


hEATHCARE IS YOUR RESPONSABILITYM, TOCARE FOR YOUR HEALTH BEST YOU CAN

HEALTH INSURANCE IS THAT, INSURANCE TO ASSIST YOU WHEN NEEDED...LIKE AUTO INSURANCE.
But health insurance is so expensive becasue Government is doing to it what can be only called as severe f*cking.and your welcome for the high costs that government creates..

The day a liberal is willing to earn something verses create a government policy to get it for "free" will be the day global warming will be called fake. Weknow it cannot be controlled by driving a prius, or by making heating our house and fueling up our car so expensive we cant afford to do it...

Couldn't you have used your time away brushing up on grammar and spelling?

tcg, canaller...

both really GO f**k YOURSELVES.
I am so sick of your a**hole bullsh*t.
You are really in a league of your own.call me what you want for pointing out exactly what you are.

No your so calle dficticous person yopu speak of has govt health care available right?
called medicaid