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So, once again I go to the doctor and they take my blood.

They say for one I'm too fat. (Which I knew.)

They checked my liver enzyme levels and said I'm on my way to dying if I don't change my ways soon.
They said my Liver levels are as follows:
LDH- 292
SGOT- 68
SGPT-98
I asked the doctor how bad that really was and he said very bad I need to quite drinking immediately. ( that sucks, I'm a boater)
Does anyone know how bad that really is?
 

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If the advice came from a real doctor I would take it serious. UNLESS you are not afraid of dying, then do what the hell you want.

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Get a second opinion...but I don't know why your doctor would lie to you about something like that.
 

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better quit or at least slow down big time .. dr told mt brother in law same thing hes like naww what do they know? kept doing it few months later we got a call his girl friend found him dead next to his bed. liver gave out . 42 years old.
 

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QUOTE(bobrob20 @ Jan 20 2004, 10:37 AM)better quit or at least slow down big time .. dr told mt brother in law same thing hes like naww what do they know? kept doing it few months later we got a call his girl friend found him dead next to his bed. liver gave out . 42 years old.

Wow, That sucks.
 

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yepp can you imagine being a parrent and your son dies before you?? not to mention we had had to clean out his place and take care of everything.. took my wife a long time to get over it she still hasnt really sometimes. very hard on family.
 

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yepp can you imagine being a parrent and your son dies before you?? not to mention we had had to clean out his place and take care of everything.. took my wife a long time to get over it she still hasnt really sometimes. very hard on family.
the night he died she came by to pick him up to go to the bar, because he was late. and she wondered where he was.
 

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I am sorry to hear Jason. I would stop drinking immediatly, if I had been given that advice. Also, start drinking lots of water to flush the liver out.
 

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be sober and live a little longer, or be a boater??? tough question. there is the quality of life thing... just buy a bigger boat and drink more. thats what i would do. you won't have to worry about paying for it. take the loan out for 30 years...
 

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QUOTE(Pandora @ Jan 20 2004, 10:53 AM)be sober and live a little longer, or be a boater??? tough question. there is the quality of life thing... just buy a bigger boat and drink more. thats what i would do. you won't have to worry about paying for it. take the loan out for 30 years...
 

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Here is what I found:

LDH is the enzyme present in all the cells in the body. Anything which damages cells, including blood drawing itself, will raise amounts in the blood. If blood is not processed promptly and properly, high levels may occur. If all values except LDH are within expected ranges, it is probably a processing error and does not require further evaluation.
Normal range for LDH is 90-200.

Normally, where are the aminotransferases?

AST (SGOT) is normally found in a diversity of tissues including liver, heart, muscle, kidney, and brain. It is released into serum when any one of these tissues is damaged. For example, its level in serum rises with heart attacks and with muscle disorders. It is therefore not a highly specific indicator of liver injury.

ALT (SGPT) is, by contrast, normally found largely in the liver. This is not to say that it is exclusively located in liver but that is where it is most concentrated. It is released into the bloodstream as the result of liver injury. It therefore serves as a fairly specific indicator of liver status.

What are normal levels of AST and ALT?

The normal range of values for AST (SGOT) is from 5 to 40 units per liter of serum (the liquid part of the blood).

The normal range of values for ALT (SGPT) is from 7 to 56 units per liter of serum.


What do elevated AST and ALT mean?

AST (SGOT) and ALT (SGPT) are sensitive indicators of liver damage from different types of disease. But it must be emphasized that higher-than-normal levels of these liver enzymes should not be automatically equated with liver disease. They may mean liver problems or they may not. The interpretation of elevated AST and ALT levels depends upon the whole clinical picture and so it is best done by doctors experienced in evaluating liver disease.

The precise levels of these enzymes do not correlate well with the extent of liver damage or the prognosis (outlook). Thus, the exact levels of AST (SGOT) and ALT (SGPT) cannot be used to determine the degree of liver disease or predict the future. For example, patients with acute viral hepatitis A may develop very high AST and ALT levels (sometimes in the thousands of units/liter range). But most patients with acute viral hepatitis A recover fully without residual liver disease. For a contrasting example, patients with chronic hepatitis C infection typically have only a little elevation in their AST and ALT levels. Some of these patients may have quietly developed chronic liver disease such as chronic hepatitis and cirrhosis (advanced scarring of the liver).
 

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QUOTE(Pandora @ Jan 20 2004, 10:53 AM)be sober and live a little longer, or be a boater??? tough question. there is the quality of life thing... just buy a bigger boat and drink more. thats what i would do. you won't have to worry about paying for it. take the loan out for 30 years...
I could do that but Theresa would have to worry about paying for it then.
 

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Wow Amelia, very informative.
If i were a Liver Specialist, I would offer free blood screenings for everyone from LSCN!!!!!
 

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would be about as much as you spent on those two little dogs... not that i wouldn't spend it on the dogs. my ferret has cancer and in getting treatments for it... i love animals... just a point. spend it while you can... just get live insurance.... i'll drive it for her, you know how i drive a boat...
 

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Did your dr. recommend any other tests (ie, hepatitis, liver biopsy, referral to a gastroenterologist)? Some people are unfortunately predisposed to liver diseases and their lifestyle choices impact the prognosis.

Are you taking large amounts of over the counter pain killers? Tylenol and Ibuprofen are hard on the liver.

You could give up alcohol for a couple of months and go back and get retested. If the enzyme levels normalize, you could probably assume alcohol is affecting your liver.

Good luck and get a second opinion.
 

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QUOTE(Pandora @ Jan 20 2004, 11:08 AM)would be about as much as you spent on those two little dogs... not that i wouldn't spend it on the dogs. my ferret has cancer and in getting treatments for it... i love animals... just a point. spend it while you can... just get live insurance.... i'll drive it for her, you know how i drive a boat...
Good point about the dogs. Good timing also as I have to take the fat one in today.

Regarding you driving the boat for her after I die. What can I say. I've always been able to count on you Dave.
 

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QUOTE(freckles @ Jan 20 2004, 11:15 AM)Are you taking large amounts of over the counter pain killers? Tylenol and Ibuprofen are hard on the liver.
Oh yes, I have cronic headaches and take Excedren like it's candy. That could be worth a look also.
 

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I spoke with CBJ at the last gathering about his drinking and this is basically what he said to me as I recall it. Drinking to an excess WILL shorten your life, there's no question. The only question is how long do you want to live?? Since shortly before I joined LSCN, I have significantly slowed down in my drinking. Everything in my life is better. I feel better. I own a company that is growing in a down economy. I actually have the job that I went to school a hundred years for. (even if it is part time) My doctor repeatedly tells me how healthy I am. I am dating the most wonderful beautiful woman on the earth.

There's much more to it than slowing down alcahol consumption, there's much more that I have quit too, but alcahol is definately a significant part of it.

You've been a buddy of mine for a very long time, as long as almost any other person that I know. Stay alive!!!
 
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