Anyone get pulled over by Sheriff in North Channel?

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Convincor

Discussion Starter · Jun 15, 2009 (Edited by Moderator)

We stopped by BBC yesterday afternoon and witness (what I believe) a Sheriff boat randomly stopping dozens of boats in the no wake zone. The boats were not throwing a wake either. Really curious as to why they were doing that. I assume the reason would be to check for jackets and throw-ables. Any one get stopped?

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tcg

· #2 · Jun 15, 2009

I heard them on the radio yesterday.

The 2 patrol boats were talking to each other. One said you take the middle channel no wake and you take the north channel no wake.

I assumed they were just cracking down on the no wake areas.

Matt

Gary864

· #3 · Jun 15, 2009

They are hanging where they are getting complaints. With the grant money this year = more boats to cover areas of concern by our fellow boater who made complaints. If you heard the transmission on the radio that would be your warning where they are. That could have use the police radio and you would never had known.

Convincor

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jun 15, 2009

QUOTE(Gary864 @ Jun 15 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They are hanging where they are getting complaints. With the grant money this year = more boats to cover areas of concern by our fellow boater who made complaints. If you heard the transmission on the radio that would be your warning where they are. That could have use the police radio and you would never had known.

Are they just random checks? Some of the boats they would tie up to (or just get close enough) Some times long enough to say a few words, other times be there long enough to board them. Clearly most the boats were not waking it up. Just curious. That is a troublesome spot in front of BBC I have to agree.

Aggressortom

· #5 · Jun 15, 2009

QUOTE(Gary864 @ Jun 15 2009, 10:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>They are hanging where they are getting complaints. With the grant money this year = more boats to cover areas of concern by our fellow boater who made complaints. If you heard the transmission on the radio that would be your warning where they are. That could have use the police radio and you would never had known.

Some of the idiots I see go through the no wake on plane in the Middle Channel it does need to be patrolled, I would be complaining big time.

Gary, I got the Motor City Poker run to change their route this Saturday, they will not be going through the Middle Channel now. The route will go straight through by Deckers now.

Tig's Toy

· #6 · Jun 15, 2009

We saw the sheriffs boat as we went through the North Channel Sunday. Didn't see anyone get stopped as we were going through and glad we didn't either.

Gary864

· #7 · Jun 15, 2009

Bill

If they were really causing a wake ( not just a rad fast) then the close contact same of Expired reg. Lots of both this weekend. On the water you can do Random stops unlike the road. You would be shocked as to how many are waking the no wake zones.

Tom

As for the poker run I hope they follow the 200 / 600 ft rule. You might want to bring that up at the drivers meeting. Like I said more boat out this year so more eyes to catch things that have not been in the past few. Wish I had my boat rady so I could do the run.

Gary

slapshot

· #8 · Jun 15, 2009

I was not out by the North channel this weekend but I was on the Detroit River in the No Wake zone off Belle Isle and was stopped by the Coast Guard for no reason and given a breathalyzer. I am 24 and was on my boat with other young people and felt discriminated against. They said they stopped me bc they saw a couple beer cans on board. One of the guys was a reall hard #ss until I passed the breathalyzer. What really made me mad is that there were boats that they saw making wake (one of the coasties pointed the boat out and we talked about it) and they never stopped them but I was following the rules and they stopped me by profiling. I know they do not need to have a reason to stop me on the water and I undertand they want to keep drunks off of the water but I felt this was rediculous.

That's my rant

bouttime1

· #9 · Jun 15, 2009

Sounds like revenueing to me.... As far as complaints go... Last time I went up the North channel it was boats coming from the island that were making wake... Like the pontoon boats ferring people across by Deckers... Wake is a subjective term... Going into Metro in the No-Wake zone even the
sailboats are throwing wake..

Tony

· #10 · Jun 15, 2009

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They love to patrol that north channel area, we see them all the time there. A couple of years ago my brother and I were out in separate boats fishing the snye with friends. I headed in a few minutes ahead of my brother and did not have my lights on. It was close enough to dark that we legally should have but really it was not dark enough for safety to be an issue. Either way I got pulled over and when he saw some empty budweisers on the floor I got invited on board to walk the plank etc. I passed the tests and was on my way when my brother comes up with no lights on and gets to repeat the same process.

He passed his tests as well and we all got a good laugh out of it at the dock. I don't blame the cop though their were a bunch of cans on the floor with the vast majority of them from my rider who was not driving that night. When I said "they aren't mine I only had a couple" I am sure he laughed inside and thought that is what they all say.

We put our lights on earlier now and keep the empties stored away when we are done with them so as not to give the wrong impression. Both of those wake zones are constantly violated so it is probably good that they are there.

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sleeper

· #11 · Jun 16, 2009 (Edited by Moderator)

Keep the empties out of sight. That's a sure way to end up doing the roadside olympics and blowing in a tube. I'm sure we're all responsible boaters (and drinkers) out there, but just because I can pass the test doesn't mean I want to take it. Just like math class.

I don't mind a quick safety check. Gary actually stopped me earlier this year

. I have to say it was a quick, polite stop. But I have dealt with more hard-nosed police before, and the best thing to do is be cooperative and polite. Even if they're being mean, they'll often let you go with a warning as long as you're polite and respectful.

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seadated

· #12 · Jun 16, 2009

Hi Gary, can u tell me how they determine the time of 1 hour before sunset? do all agencys use the same formula? thanks

Stodge

· #13 · Jun 16, 2009

There is actually a chart with the dates and times that is handed out at Boater Safety class.

sleeper

· #14 · Jun 16, 2009

QUOTE(seadated @ Jun 16 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Gary, can u tell me how they determine the time of 1 hour before sunset? do all agencys use the same formula? thanks

Sunset time is published in the paper. Also available on the web. Of course it varies with how far east / west you go, so if you check for harrison township then get stopped in algonac, the time may be different by a few minutes. If I remember, I check the web before I take the PWC out. Last time I checked sunset was 9:08. Probably 9:10-9:15 now. It'll get longer until the first day of summer then get shorter. Many GPS units also show sunset and sunrise time for your specific location.

Not sure why you're asking about 1 hour before, but if it's for PWC's, you have until sunset now. The law changed this year, you no longer have to be off the water 1 hour before sunset, you now have to be off the water at sunset. Which is awesome if you like to go for a ride after work.

seadated

· #15 · Jun 16, 2009

My kids took the BSC at school. I dont need one and i got pinched last year in front of BC @ 7PM on june 28th.for being out 1 hour before sunset. It was a 150 dollar tx. and i know its daylight til a least 9pm.. I had'nt gotten a ticket for anything for over 17 years but i guess its all about the money now. seems everyones got thier hand out!!!

Away Point

· #16 · Jun 16, 2009

QUOTE(sleeper @ Jun 16 2009, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(seadated @ Jun 16 2009, 11:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Gary, can u tell me how they determine the time of 1 hour before sunset? do all agencys use the same formula? thanks

Sunset time is published in the paper. Also available on the web. Of course it varies with how far east / west you go, so if you check for harrison township then get stopped in algonac, the time may be different by a few minutes. If I remember, I check the web before I take the PWC out. Last time I checked sunset was 9:08. Probably 9:10-9:15 now. It'll get longer until the first day of summer then get shorter. Many GPS units also show sunset and sunrise time for your specific location.

Not sure why you're asking about 1 hour before, but if it's for PWC's, you have until sunset now. The law changed this year, you no longer have to be off the water 1 hour before sunset, you now have to be off the water at sunset. Which is awesome if you like to go for a ride after work.

I was going to say that too.

So how much longer can you actually stay out on the west side of the lake, vs. the east?

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sleeper

· #17 · Jun 16, 2009

QUOTE(seadated @ Jun 16 2009, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My kids took the BSC at school. I dont need one and i got pinched last year in front of BC @ 7PM on june 28th.for being out 1 hour before sunset. It was a 150 dollar tx. and i know its daylight til a least 9pm.. I had'nt gotten a ticket for anything for over 17 years but i guess its all about the money now. seems everyones got thier hand out!!!

7 pm on June 28th is a solid 2 hours before sunset! Unless you forgot to "spring forward".

Last year that time you should have had until a little after 8 to be in, this year, it'll be a little after 9.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.php - don't put in "harrison township", you'll get "harrison" in clare county (sun sets later there, apparently). SCS goes in as "St. Clair Shores" - have to be picky on spelling and punctuation or it won't work

Sunset for June 28, 2008 was 9:13 pm (in st. clair shores). Sunset for June 28, 2009 will be the same time.

On June 28 (since I was already using that day) the sun will set at 9:12 in algonac and 9:13 in St. Clair Shores.

Sun sets tonight at 9:11 (in SCS)

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Gary864

· #18 · Jun 16, 2009

QUOTE(seadated @ Jun 16 2009, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Hi Gary, can u tell me how they determine the time of 1 hour before sunset? do all agencys use the same formula? thanks

Here is a website for sunset but it in on the local news and in the local paper ( when they print them) you can even call the Cost Guard

http://www.sunrisesunset.com/custom_srss_calendar.asp

Gary864

· #19 · Jun 16, 2009

QUOTE(seadated @ Jun 16 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>My kids took the BSC at school. I dont need one and i got pinched last year in front of BC @ 7PM on june 28th.for being out 1 hour before sunset. It was a 150 dollar tx. and i know its daylight til a least 9pm.. I had'nt gotten a ticket for anything for over 17 years but i guess its all about the money now. seems everyones got thier hand out!!!

It is not about the money as our division does not see 1 penny from any tickets we write. The last I knew it went to the Libary fund in St. Clair County. It sounds like the about info there was a error on the time somewhere. That should have been more than 2 hours before sunset. This year the law changed and you do not have to be off the water on a pwc until sunset,

Float On

· #20 · Jun 16, 2009

I always thought the State gets most of the money, but I guess that is not the case anymore.

Where the $ goes in Michigan:

Fines
Fines are the penalty portion of the citation money received by the court. Distribution of a civil infraction fine is governed by MCL 257.909. For violations written under state law, usually by state troopers or county deputies, 100% of the fines are "applied to the support of public libraries and county law libraries..." For violations written under local ordinance, usually by municipal police officers or some county deputies assigned to townships pursuant to a contract, 30% of the fines are applied to the library fund, while 70% are given back to the municipality.

Costs
Costs are the portion of the citation money used to pay the expenses to prosecute the citation as authorized by MCL 257.907(4). Costs are capped at $100 unless specifically set by subsection (2).

Statutory Assessments
Statutory assessments are additional charges applied to most violations pursuant to MCL 257.907(14) to fund specific programs deemed important by the Legislature. A number of public acts that passed in 2003 consolidated the previously existing assessments into a single Justice System Assessment, and provided a new formula for their distribution. There is a great deal of confusion about these "restricted" funds, both among the general public and law enforcement. Some of these funds "pass through" the Michigan State Police (MSP) budget, but are eventually distributed to other law enforcement agencies as grants.

The breakdown of the $40 statutory assessment on a typical civil infraction citation appears below. Other violations, including misdemeanors, felonies, and non-traffic civil infractions, have a slightly different formula. Contact Sgt. Lance Cook at (517) 336-6660 for additional information.

Secondary Road Patrol (sheriff departments for county secondary road traffic enforcement) $10.00
Highway Safety Fund (MSP for recruit schools and traffic enforcement) $7.44
Jail Reimbursement Program Fund (sheriff departments to house felons for state) $3.72
Michigan Justice Training Fund (all police agencies and prosecutors for in-service training) $3.72
Legislative Retirement System $0.345
Drug Treatment Courts Fund $0.855
State Forensic Lab Fund $1.68
State Court Fund $3.99
Court Equity Fund $7.65
State Treasurer (for monitoring) $0.30
State Court Administrative Office (for collections and audits) $0.30

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