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http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/1375851031.html

they just paid $4000 for this boat the other day on craigs list has wet stringers and transome they call it excellent condition Daves reply 2 me in his own words (This boat is in excellent condition for its age,and it is priced accordingly. It is pretty hard to find a 80s boat (especially a Sea Ray) that has no moisture in the transom and or stringers. It has some issues and would make someone a nice boat. Will it pass a survey? Probably not.)

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In reality, it can be wet as a sponge for 5k, if it runs, what else more can you ask for. Essentially you are purchasing a motor and drive package with a hull that comes with it. Some people who are just too caught up in dock talk do not understand the reality of old boats. Everyone has an opinion, which is fine, but most people do not know there head from there aszs when it comes to boats.

Daves statement appears to be honest and truthful, so I do not see the issue. Dave is a good person, not like many others I know in this business and I do not want to see his name run through the dirt because of others in the industry that would intentionally screw someone. He will be up front with you. If a boat needs help, .....it needs help, he will let you know this.

So before anyone wants to step up and talk schit about a person who really does have a good heart and trying to make a living doing what he loves. Its just hard to sell "old used" boats to people who expect them to be in top condition.

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I know a guy that does surveys. Come to think of it, he used to own a boat that was a similar year make and model as the one above for like 6 years or something.
 

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I have to agree with Sunsation. What do you want for $6k? Looks like a nice boat from the photos and comes w/ trailer.

Salesman was up-front and said it won't pass survey which saves you the money of getting one done.


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your missing the point im sure if you where joe off the streets.... the add says excellent condition and you where going to buy it didnt get a survey he would not tell you about the moisture.

i noticed the boat for sale the other day for $4000 the guy that was selling in his add said clearly moisture in stringers and transome, now dave is selling for $6000 2 days later in his add says excellent condition nothing about moisture, thats my point its not about the money
 

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QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>your missing the point im sure if you where joe off the streets.... the add says excellent condition and you where going to buy it didnt get a survey he would not tell you about the moisture.

[/color]This is nothing more than an assumption on your part. How well do you know Dave? If you knew him at all, you would not be here worring about 'Joe" off the street....This is because he would say the same thing to Joe off the street. Again, the boats condition may be excellent, but the stringers are wet.....this is no different than a car that is in great shape but the frame is showing some rust. There are more aspects to condition of a boat than its stringer system....BUT AGAIN.....if "Joe" off the street buys this boat, what else can you really ask for for 5-6k? Come on, get with reality here.....add everything else to the boat, as stated; Motor, drive, interior, canvas (if it has a decent canvas), trailer.....what else more can you ask for in this price range. Think here....Its not hard to understand. Its pretty well common sense for anyone who can think in a logical manner.

i noticed the boat for sale the other day for $4000 the guy that was selling in his add said clearly moisture in stringers and transome, now dave is selling for $6000 2 days later in his add says excellent condition nothing about moisture, thats my point its not about the money


Great, maybe they bought it and are trying to swing a little profit. And when I say "They" , it refers to the marina, and not Dave, as you seem to keep trying to push the point across that its him personally that is trying to swindle someone on a boat. So the add did not mention moisture....any buyer with half a brain should understand that this boat at this low of a price will have an issue somewhere. And if they are not smart enough to take the proper precautions, then the buyer deserves what he gets. BUT AGAIN-this is a 5-6k boat we are talking about....COME ON....GET REAL
 

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QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>your missing the point im sure if you where joe off the streets.... the add says excellent condition and you where going to buy it didnt get a survey he would not tell you about the moisture.

i noticed the boat for sale the other day for $4000 the guy that was selling in his add said clearly moisture in stringers and transome, now dave is selling for $6000 2 days later in his add says excellent condition nothing about moisture, thats my point its not about the money

Look at the big picture. So what it's wet, my boat is always wet, that's why god invented the float switch for your bilge.
That's what you get with an older boat, my boat is almost 33 years old, she makes noises, gets water in it sometimes and she even burns a little oil. But I also paid $4,000 for it and not $20,000, so for me looking at the big picture, I can afford to do the fixer upper stuff because I don't have a boat payment. Be happy with that.
 

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QUOTE(Sheamus @ Sep 16 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>your missing the point im sure if you where joe off the streets.... the add says excellent condition and you where going to buy it didnt get a survey he would not tell you about the moisture.

i noticed the boat for sale the other day for $4000 the guy that was selling in his add said clearly moisture in stringers and transome, now dave is selling for $6000 2 days later in his add says excellent condition nothing about moisture, thats my point its not about the money

Look at the big picture. So what it's wet, my boat is always wet, that's why god invented the float switch for your bilge.
That's what you get with an older boat, my boat is almost 33 years old, she makes noises, gets water in it sometimes and she even burns a little oil. But I also paid $4,000 for it and not $20,000, so for me looking at the big picture, I can afford to do the fixer upper stuff because I don't have a boat payment. Be happy with that.



That is a terriffic statement!!! It is a boat, gets ya on the water, not bad at all!!! In the pic's it looks like a terriffic boat!! And with a trailor, Hell i wish I had 6 grand!
 

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QUOTE(Sheamus @ Sep 16 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>your missing the point im sure if you where joe off the streets.... the add says excellent condition and you where going to buy it didnt get a survey he would not tell you about the moisture.

i noticed the boat for sale the other day for $4000 the guy that was selling in his add said clearly moisture in stringers and transome, now dave is selling for $6000 2 days later in his add says excellent condition nothing about moisture, thats my point its not about the money

Look at the big picture. So what it's wet, my boat is always wet, that's why god invented the float switch for your bilge.
That's what you get with an older boat, my boat is almost 33 years old, she makes noises, gets water in it sometimes and she even burns a little oil. But I also paid $4,000 for it and not $20,000, so for me looking at the big picture, I can afford to do the fixer upper stuff because I don't have a boat payment. Be happy with that.



And this is a post made with common sense! Cant agree more Sheamus!
 

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Sounds like to me that Dave (I dont know him) is stating that it has wet stringers/transom when he said "its hard to find a boat ...(that vintage)... that doesnt".

Buyer beware. I dont think he (or the marina) is trying to swindle anyone.

When buying a boat a survey is to tell you what is wrong, it is still the buyers choice to purchase. Someone might jump at it and re-do the stringers and transom themselves and in the long run have a really nice boat with some sweat equity.
 

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QUOTE(sunsation98 @ Sep 16 2009, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Sheamus @ Sep 16 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>your missing the point im sure if you where joe off the streets.... the add says excellent condition and you where going to buy it didnt get a survey he would not tell you about the moisture.

i noticed the boat for sale the other day for $4000 the guy that was selling in his add said clearly moisture in stringers and transome, now dave is selling for $6000 2 days later in his add says excellent condition nothing about moisture, thats my point its not about the money

Look at the big picture. So what it's wet, my boat is always wet, that's why god invented the float switch for your bilge.
That's what you get with an older boat, my boat is almost 33 years old, she makes noises, gets water in it sometimes and she even burns a little oil. But I also paid $4,000 for it and not $20,000, so for me looking at the big picture, I can afford to do the fixer upper stuff because I don't have a boat payment. Be happy with that.



And this is a post made with common sense! Cant agree more Sheamus!


But wet stringers/transom are quite different than water in the bilge. Hell most if not all boats leak somewhat, but once you have water intrusion into structural members.....there are bigger problems.

But i agree....for $6k what does one expect.
 

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I am probably confused...not feeling the greatest right now.....but.....
I don't see the problem....other than the initial response may have been surprising.

seems the original poster dieselmatt saw it...the marina purchased it...and turned around to sell it.
by dieselmatt's own admission he was told there were issues and that it probably would NOT pass a survery.
that seems pretty darn honest to me. so that's where I am confused. It doesnt appear that the marina person was attempting to hide anything at all. On the contrary actually.

maybe its the 2k markup that initially seemed inappropriate to DM...but remember...businesses have overhead...they pay out monies...taking a risk that what they purchase will re sell and there are costs incured.

I really don't see the issue.....but then again....what do I know ??
 

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QUOTE(Pornodave @ Sep 16 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>can someone tell me in this add where excellent condition explains bad stringers and transome?
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/1375851031.html

How did you find out??


I will go over this the last time, i noticed the boat on craigslist 2 days early for $4k and the owner said wet stringers and transome must sell.
 

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QUOTE(sunsation98 @ Sep 16 2009, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So the add did not mention moisture....any buyer with half a brain should understand that this boat at this low of a price will have an issue somewhere. And if they are not smart enough to take the proper precautions, then the buyer deserves what he gets. BUT AGAIN-this is a 5-6k boat we are talking about....COME ON....GET REAL
 

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QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 10:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Pornodave @ Sep 16 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(dieselmatt1 @ Sep 16 2009, 10:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>can someone tell me in this add where excellent condition explains bad stringers and transome?
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/boa/1375851031.html

How did you find out??


I will go over this the last time, i noticed the boat on craigslist 2 days early for $4k and the owner said wet stringers and transome must sell.


Sorry for asking - I only read the 1st post.


Looking at it - I agree it seems like a good deal to me at that price. I would hope he would mention it, and I would hope a potential owner would have a survey though.

Damn trailer is probably worth $2K!!!
 

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QUOTE(Pornodave @ Sep 16 2009, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sorry for asking - I only read the 1st post.


Looking at it - I agree it seems like a good deal to me at that price. I would hope he would mention it, and I would hope a potential owner would have a survey though.

Damn trailer is probably worth $2K!!!

Going by the prices that were posted on trailers across the street I would say at least 3k for teh trailer. They wanted 3500 for a 2 axle steel trailer used acrosse at metro boat sales...
 
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