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Stop lights reconsidered after crash

By Gordon Wilczynski, Macomb Daily Staff Writer

County Road Commission authorities said a study should be complete by late spring on whether to reinstall a traffic signal at North River and Bridgeview roads in Harrison Township.

The driver of a pickup truck was seriously injured Wednesday morning when he turned in front of a L'Anse Creuse Public Schools bus, authorities said.

There were two students on the bus when the crash occurred at 6:45 a.m. A

school spokeswoman said the students were not injured and were driven to school on another bus.

"The students are in class and are fine," L'Anse Creuse spokeswoman Paula Rose said Wednesday morning.

Macomb County Sheriff's Sgt. Craig Sparks and deputies rerouted traffic on both streets for two hours while accident investigators checked the area.

The driver of the pickup truck was taken to Mount Clemens Regional Medical Center. His condition is improving, according to Capt. John Roberts of the Macomb County Sheriff's Office.

The school bus driver was not hurt.

Bob Hoepfner, chief highway engineer for the Macomb County Road Commission, said a study will determine if traffic signals at the intersection are warranted. Hoepfner said the signals were removed when the bridge was reconstructed last year and the bridge reopened recently without the lights.

He said traffic volume is the top factor in determining whether traffic lights are needed at an intersection. He said accident rate also is a prime consideration.

"The No. 1 question is why the signals were installed there in the first place," Hoepfner said.

He added there aren't enough cars during winter months to warrant traffic signals. He said the best time to do the study is during boating season when traffic amounts are the highest.

"We already started the study and it will continue at least through the spring," Hoepfner said. "If signals are warranted then we will reinstall them."

Authorities said they do not believe the road conditions, which were slippery during a light snowfall Wednesday morning, played a part in the collision.

Authorities said the school bus was eastbound on North River Road. The pickup truck was westbound and stopped at North River Road.

For some reason, the truck driver turned west - a left turn - on North River Road and slammed into the school bus.

"The driver of the pickup truck just turned in front of the bus," said Bill Bartman, transportation director for L'Anse Creuse Schools. "We had another one of our buses take the two students who were on the bus to the (L'Anse Creuse) high school."

Capt. Roberts said the intersection, which had traffic signals before the bridge just south of the intersection was rebuilt last year, does not have stop signs for Bridgeview traffic.

"There has been considerable conversation and concern from people in the area since the traffic signals were removed," Roberts said. "We haven't been able to talk to the driver of the pickup truck because his condition was life-threatening."

But Roberts said the driver's condition has improved.

"Thank God the bus wasn't fully loaded," Roberts said. "If it was, chances are there would have been more injuries."
 

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QUOTE(pquest29 @ Feb 19 2010, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Stupid. And you can't fix stupid.

There is no need for a light at that intersection and anyone that argues that there is a need tell me why you can turn right on red to head east on North River Road.

Wow, I guess you're a perfect driver. Can you be a little more harsh? I think there should be a light there because it is kind of a hazard with the curve there and turning left from north river can be a little confusing for some. Also take into consideration older people. When/if they put a light there, have it work like the one at 16 and Jefferson with cameras so you're not sitting for long periods of time, it works with the flow of traffic.
 

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QUOTE(DropOut @ Feb 19 2010, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Authorities said the school bus was eastbound on North River Road. The pickup truck was westbound and stopped at North River Road.

For some reason, the truck driver turned west - a left turn - on North River Road
 

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QUOTE(pquest29 @ Feb 19 2010, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Stupid. And you can't fix stupid.

There is no need for a light at that intersection and anyone that argues that there is a need tell me why you can turn right on red to head east on North River Road.

Just like I said in the last thread

People are just so f'in stupid there needs to be requlations...
 

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Why do they have the divided section at N.R. and BV?
 

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I think a light is needed at both ends of Bridgeview. They were put up in the first place because there was a reason they needed to be put up and as far as I can see the reason still exists today. It seems as though every time I come from the S. River side to the N. River side there is someone wanting to turn left towards I-94 that has pulled so far forward that I have to wait for them anyways in order to safely see whether or not I can complete my turn and pull out into whatever traffic there might be because I can't see it.

I have lived out here for 30 years and welcomed the lights when they were put in and in talking to many of my nieghbors and friends that live in the area I find out that we all feel the same way. Granted, the traffic flow is light right now but just wait until spring when both of the River roads are full of people trying to get to thier boats and there are people trying to turn left at either end of Bridgeview and see what kind of a backup and mess we have then.

I will be glad when the lights are put back up. Oh, and while the new bridge is nice, I still don't like the N. River end of it as I don't know how many times I have missed the turn and tried to go around the right turn island as 30 years of turning on the far side of an island is pretty ingrained. The left turners are pulling up so far that I hate to see what is going to happen when someone coming from the marinas towing a long boat tries to make the left turn from N. River into Bridgeview when a left turner is at the bottom of the ramp at the edge of the road.
 

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QUOTE(Soo Sassy @ Feb 19 2010, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow, I guess you're a perfect driver. Can you be a little more harsh? I think there should be a light there because it is kind of a hazard with the curve there and turning left from north river can be a little confusing for some. Also take into consideration older people. When/if they put a light there, have it work like the one at 16 and Jefferson with cameras so you're not sitting for long periods of time, it works with the flow of traffic.
You read my post wrong; the stupid remark was not towards the truck driver. It was towards the fact that they are thinking about putting a light back up there.

Nope, I'm definitely not a perfect driver. Did I say that anywhere in my post?

If its confusing for some get the hell off the road! You have no business piloting a 2+ ton missile capable of high rates of speed if you're prone to being confused.
 

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QUOTE(ICM1 @ Feb 19 2010, 08:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I will be glad when the lights are put back up. Oh, and while the new bridge is nice, I still don't like the N. River end of it as I don't know how many times I have missed the turn and tried to go around the right turn island as 30 years of turning on the far side of an island is pretty ingrained. The left turners are pulling up so far that I hate to see what is going to happen when someone coming from the marinas towing a long boat tries to make the left turn from N. River into Bridgeview when a left turner is at the bottom of the ramp at the edge of the road.

Well I don't feel bad and I've been driving that for 20 years and I missed it last night and did the same. See my question above. It is confusing and I consider my self an excelent driver.

QUOTE(pquest29 @ Feb 19 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Soo Sassy @ Feb 19 2010, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow, I guess you're a perfect driver. Can you be a little more harsh? I think there should be a light there because it is kind of a hazard with the curve there and turning left from north river can be a little confusing for some. Also take into consideration older people. When/if they put a light there, have it work like the one at 16 and Jefferson with cameras so you're not sitting for long periods of time, it works with the flow of traffic.
You read my post wrong; the stupid remark was not towards the truck driver. It was towards the fact that they are thinking about putting a light back up there.

Nope, I'm definitely not a perfect driver. Did I say that anywhere in my post?

If its confusing for some get the hell off the road! You have no business piloting a 2+ ton missile capable of high rates of speed if you're prone to being confused.


Thanks I'll think about it the next time I can't figure out no turn on red between 7am-4pm school days.
That's just a pet peeve of mine in the shores.
 

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QUOTE(pquest29 @ Feb 19 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Soo Sassy @ Feb 19 2010, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow, I guess you're a perfect driver. Can you be a little more harsh? I think there should be a light there because it is kind of a hazard with the curve there and turning left from north river can be a little confusing for some. Also take into consideration older people. When/if they put a light there, have it work like the one at 16 and Jefferson with cameras so you're not sitting for long periods of time, it works with the flow of traffic.
You read my post wrong; the stupid remark was not towards the truck driver. It was towards the fact that they are thinking about putting a light back up there.

Nope, I'm definitely not a perfect driver. Did I say that anywhere in my post?

If its confusing for some get the hell off the road! You have no business piloting a 2+ ton missile capable of high rates of speed if you're prone to being confused.




I'm not crazy about the intersection and I am a damn good driver. And thankfully anyone who may be confused or unsettled by that intersection won't be getting off the road just to appease you
 

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The only hazard or time consuming turn, if you may is when heading north bound on Bridgeview and then turning west bound on North River Rd. can be quite a wait especially in the summer months when it is really busy. I have found even lately the wait time to make that turn has been lengthy. The speed of many drivers on North River Rd. Can be hard to judge because of the curve of the road. And pulling out in front of vehicles at greater speeds can be very dangerous. If you notice to the east of Bridgeview there are trees that in full bloom in the spring and summer will block our vision of on coming (west bound) traffic even more. Making our judgment to enter west bound traffic even more dangerous. With a light there that will stop traffic and let us enter will make it more safe.

That is my reason for a traffic light and thank you for your time. With one major accident there already I think this is a no brainer.
 

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QUOTE(pquest29 @ Feb 19 2010, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Soo Sassy @ Feb 19 2010, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wow, I guess you're a perfect driver. Can you be a little more harsh? I think there should be a light there because it is kind of a hazard with the curve there and turning left from north river can be a little confusing for some. Also take into consideration older people. When/if they put a light there, have it work like the one at 16 and Jefferson with cameras so you're not sitting for long periods of time, it works with the flow of traffic.
You read my post wrong; the stupid remark was not towards the truck driver. It was towards the fact that they are thinking about putting a light back up there.

Nope, I'm definitely not a perfect driver. Did I say that anywhere in my post?

If its confusing for some get the hell off the road! You have no business piloting a 2+ ton missile capable of high rates of speed if you're prone to being confused.


^^^^^that^^^^^

Please, for your own safety, if you can't understand the simple principals of driving, STAY HOME.
 

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I figured this would be coming soon after seeing the accident the other morning. Especially considering it was involving a school bus.
 

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QUOTE(Pornodave @ Feb 19 2010, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(DropOut @ Feb 19 2010, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Authorities said the school bus was eastbound on North River Road. The pickup truck was westbound and stopped at North River Road.

For some reason, the truck driver turned west - a left turn - on North River Road



yeah double
 

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QUOTE(Cadmonkey @ Feb 19 2010, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Pornodave @ Feb 19 2010, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(DropOut @ Feb 19 2010, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Authorities said the school bus was eastbound on North River Road. The pickup truck was westbound and stopped at North River Road.

For some reason, the truck driver turned west - a left turn - on North River Road



yeah double



Yea, very confusing. If the school bus was headed east, and the truck was headed west making a left turn, wouldn't they both have had a green light even if there was a traffic signal? It wasn't clear in the video or the description, but it sounds more like the truck was headed north on bridgeview, turning west onto North River Road... and he didn't see a BIG YELLOW BUS???? How could we expect him to see a traffic light??
 

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QUOTE(KMC @ Feb 19 2010, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Yea, very confusing. If the school bus was headed east, and the truck was headed west making a left turn, wouldn't they both have had a green light even if there was a traffic signal? It wasn't clear in the video or the description, but it sounds more like the truck was headed north on bridgeview, turning west onto North River Road... and he didn't see a BIG YELLOW BUS???? How could we expect him to see a traffic light??


Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner!
 

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QUOTE(pquest29 @ Feb 19 2010, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Big Dog @ Feb 19 2010, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>^^^^^that^^^^^

Please, for your own safety, if you can't understand the simple principals of driving, STAY HOME.

And for the safety of my child, wife, myself, and others on the road.


Yep, it's for the children
 
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