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The Wonderland tournament pays good and they give away many prizes but the fish kill is the worst I have ever seen a hundred or so fish floating on top of the water to days after the tournament residents from the near by houses complained to the DNR but money and advertisement for there product is more important to them then the fish kill. It's all money not your hobby that there interested in. Do your best to keep your fish alive and complain if the fish are not handled properly.
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i fished the wonderland open last year. in my opinion, they go to great lengths to ensure healthy release of the fish. they have holding tanks and they even had a bug tank on a pontoon last year so they could take the fish out to cooler deeper water to release them.

some fish are going to die. just like some fish will get eaten by 20 lb muskie. there are 200 boats, if 75% of the boats bring in a limit ( which isnt hard to do on erie ) thats 750 fish being weighed. not counting the fish that were culled, or those that werre gut hooked. of course you are going to lose some fish.

but 200 bass floating on the surface? are you sure it was 200??? is it possible that you are exagerating?

i know a bunch of guys at wonderland. they are all anglers. they are all good guys, they are not in it just for money or publicity. they are in it for the sport. they dont like to see dead fish anymore than you, or me, or your neighbors do.

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oops, you say 100 or so, i said 200. same point, just change the total of floaters.

great name by the way!

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I personally can't speak for other anglers but I myself use Rejuvenade in my live well.

Rejuvenade was nice enough to give me a large supply of samples of their product to spread to other fishermen. I have personally given out over 50 samples. Everyone seems to love this product.

What Rejuvenade does is replenishes the minerals in the fish much like Gatorade does for football players. Rejuvenade also has an additive that keeps the fish from regurgitating up in the live well and it helps the fish recoat the slime lost while in a live well.

I was fishing a tourney a few weeks back and I caught the sickliest bass I had ever seen. I believe this fish was suffering heavily from the Largemouth virus that has been spreading over Michigan's bass. This fish put up no fight and had zero spunk.

After only a few hours in the rejuvenade the fish looked allot better, when I brought him to the scale he had more fight in him than he did when I caught him.

I'm sold on this product and I highly recommend it to any and all other tournament fishermen.
 

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How about the effect on livewell pumps? Does the rejuvenade destroy pumps and valves like the other "tranquilizers"? Where do you find it? I have been only using ice to cool the water because I heard the other chemicals ruin the pumps. I haven't had any dead fish at weigh-in. But anything I can do to help the fish survive upon release is well worth it.

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Rejuvenade can be found at KD Outdoors on M-59 east of Pontiac Lake 248-666-7799 or at www.bassmedics.com

As for the pumps, I have used the standard products for years and found no problems with my pumps.

I'm now useing Rejuvenade for many reason and still have seen no problem with my pumps

Another thing Rejuvenade does is that the fish do not get dehydrated. Yes I said "dehydrated" that is a plus when going to the scales! the fish to not lose weight as fast as they do with other products.

One note: Rejuvenade doesn't tranquilize the fish and with it's ability to help fish absorbed oxygen better your fish will be very active in the livewell and you should be careful when opening the livewell door.

Last remember that standard Ice has chlorine, fluoride and a few other things in it and you should all ways use a treatment to neutralize those chemicals, if you don't use a treatment then freeze the water in a pop bottle or make your ice with tap water that you have left in the sun for a day to allow the chemicals to evaporate before freezing it.
 

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I think that people that run to erie to fish and run all the way back to st. clair really need to do something to keep their fish, not just alive but in good shape. They may weigh them in alive but when they releace the fish they float because they have been beat to death from the ride back.
 

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There are plenty of methods for keeping your fish alive. I have not used Rejuvinate personally but I have heard nothing but good things about it.

I do know the people at Wonderland and they dont like to kill fish either. They do go to great lengths to insure that the fish are released healthy, but some do die.

The best advice I can give is to keep your livewell pumps running all day. Exchange the water in the livewell at least once every other hour and use some sort of additive. I use Please Release Me and have not had any adverse effects on my pumps. I do like the additives that have a claming effect on the fish (partly because I handle fish at weigh-ins for the GNT and the MCBF), it makes retrieving them from the well easier and a faster weighing process.

Personally I am not an advocate of using ice in our climate, BUT if you stop to fill your livewell in the mouth of the Clinton or back in Metro you are asking for trouble. Fill your livewells in the open lake before heading in, check them at least every hour while fishing, and handle them as little as possible.

Also, after you present your fish to the weighmaster, follow them to the recovery tank and help take care of them. So many anglers forget about the fish once they weigh them in, and that attitude is going to lead to higher delayed mortality. If you truly care, then do something about it. Get involved, it is the only way we will be able to sustain a fishery like St Clair.

There are additional places you can read about keeping bass alive, and the best I have seen is a handbook written by Gene Gillian & Hal Schram called "Keeping Bass Alive". Both of these gentleman are Fisheries Biologists and are well versed in the subject. It is published by ESPN Productions Inc./BASS and can be read here:Link to ESPN/BASS Keeping Bass Alive

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Madman I didn't say they did not try to keep there fish alive but something went wrong when 2 days later fish were floating in that bay. 1.Did they not take them out far enough for the release?(so no one will see them) 2. Was the water to warm where they were released the fish, there tanks were filled with ice. 3. Will fish die and lie on the bottom then float after a day or so? I was just telling you that fish were everywhere the worst anyone ever seen and the worst enemy to Bass fisherman is the public or P.E.T.A. And I know that all Bass fisherman do the best that they can to keep there fish alive.
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i have a love hate relationship with rejuvinade.

i love the stuff because of what it does for the fish.

but being the weighmaster for the ABA, i almost hate it. most of the guys in our club use it. my hands looks like pin cusions once they weigh is over.

but i would rather have everyone use it to ensure the fish will live and be healthy.

if you guys are having problems with livewell pumps, do like i do. cary a gatorade bottle with you. por your additives in the bottle with some water and shake thouroughly. it will disolve it there for not clogging!

its worth a shot.

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You can kill bass with any quick shock to their system at times including to big of a water temperature change - anything more than 10 degrees - so icing is not good if it makes the water temp difference too great. Our Great Lakes water is usually cool enough to suffice.

Fill your tanks to the very top before a rough run and plug them off. If there is not large air space, the bass can't bounce of the lids when the boat is bouncing.

Don't fizz the bass either. If you aren't a trained biologist, you're probably killing bass. Rarely are bass caught deep enough in Michigan to warrant that. Some biologists claim we are 'fizzing' bass just so they will sink to the bottom and not be seen floating dead later by the public.

Don't release tournament bass into stagnant or nonmoving water a long way from the main lake (like so many tournaments do in the St. Clair Metro Park). It may not be a huge shock early in the season, but it can be borderline later in the season and allow the possibility of an artificially high harvest after tournaments.

I'm trying to get the federation heading down the road of a live release boat that could be used widely possibly. Don't know until you try.

Some bass will die and some people will see '100s!' no matter what, but it's important that we really are doing what's right for the bass, not just going through some motions.

I use chemicals in warmer water and with larger bass and when I've had bass in the well for extended times (longer than 6 hours). I don't use ice. I keep the pumps running in good water on the fastest time or constant depending on how the fish look. I cap the wells on long runs after filling the water right to the lid and then turn on a bubbler. It works pretty good.
 

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deadstick in response to your questions.

QUOTEHow about the effect on livewell pumps? Does the rejuvenade destroy pumps and valves like the other "tranquilizers"? Where do you find it?

1st... I have never heard of anyone having any trouble at all with Rejuvenade clogging the pumps. All you have to do is make sure to dissolve it instead of just dumping it in the live well. What I do is hold a cap full of it and let the live-well water spray into the cap thus dissolving it.
2nd … Don't confuse rejuvenade with a tranquilizer. It does not tranquilize the fish. It does just the opposite. The fish come out of this stuff full of energy and spunk. Rejuvenade replenishes the fish's energy.
3rd .. If your interested in getting a bottle of Rejuvenade call 256-638-2277 and tell them that Anthony from American Bass Anglers sent you their way it may get you a discount.
 

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dan,

how about the bfl on lsc out of metro. all those fish were released in mud. i wonder how many made it out. flw should do more to get the fish out to clean cool water. if i had a pontoon boat, i would bring it. unfortunatly i dont. and i dont think it would handle the water very well. but at least it would be a way to get the fish back out there.

DO MORE FLW!

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Like I said, no one should be putting a bunch of bass loose into the bay back in Metro, but someone needs to give them another option such as a release boat. I think we get some black marks every time we release a bunch of bass back in there whether deserved or not. I'll keep pushing the federation to buy a release boat.

FLW will be a tough sell. In some states, the DNRs actually work with the tournaments. I've seen them provide tanker trucks at remote weigh ins to take the bass back to the lake. Maybe all tournament groups could approach the MDNR and do something in conjunction with them at least for St. Clair. It won't be an easy thing.

On another note, I'm beginning to think the this Rejuvinate sounds like Viagra for bass. I'm more interested in something that mellows them, kind of like a 'Barry White' chemical, especially for the bigger female bass (that I'm admittedly having trouble weighing this year).
 

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QUOTE(John Maniaci @ Aug 8 2003, 12:32 PM)Also, after you present your fish to the weighmaster, follow them to the recovery tank and help take care of them. So many anglers forget about the fish once they weigh them in....
Really? I hadn't noticed
 

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QUOTE(Alex @ Aug 12 2003, 09:54 AM)QUOTE(John Maniaci @ Aug 8 2003, 12:32 PM) Also, after you present your fish to the weighmaster, follow them to the recovery tank and help take care of them. So many anglers forget about the fish once they weigh them in....
Really? I hadn't noticed

You and Dave are the exception and a great example for all to follow.

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Thanks Mini, it's my personal crusade. I know other like yourself and Dan Kimmel support our fishery in other ways. My main focus since day 1 of tournament fishing has been how we handle weigh-ins.
 

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I fished the Wonderland Tournament this weekend and it was a first rate tournament! My partner and I had about 10lbs so we released our fish in the lake rather than slow down the weigh-in with such a small bag and no chance. When we parked our boat near the weigh-in sight there were probably a dozen or more boats that did the same to reduce the stress on the fish that were weighed-in. The tournament had about 135 boats and the weigh-in was handled very quickly. Last years weigh-in was much worst because it was very hot and everyone came to the staging line at one time. This year Dave Mitter did his best to reduce the stress on the fish by implementing the following:

He broke down the tournament into 3 flights separated by 15 minutes to reduce the weigh-in line.

He added a professional release boat with chemicals to take the fish futher out.

He had drivers pull the contestants trucks out of the way to allow the line to move much quicker.

He had a limited amount of weigh-in bags so only 1 or 2 teams was at the stairs of the stage.

They limited the conversation with the MC so it was very brief (while the fish were actually weighed).

He stressed that all contestants must take the best possible care of their fish during the pre-tournament meeting.

I don't know what more they could possibly do short of reducing the limit size! As I said, this was a first rate and very professionally run tournament.

I believe more damage is done to the fish during the long runs from St. Clair and Pelee. A few guys told me that they had 6 to 8 footers at Pelee in the morning. How can you protect fish in that kind of water?

Wonderland did a great job to improve the weigh-in this year! I don't know what happened to the fish but I'm sure it wasn't their fault or intentional.
 

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