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The United States, the United Kingdom and Spain have decided today not to push for a Security Council vote on a second U.N. resolution giving Iraq a deadline to disarm. Meanwhile, The United States has advised U.N. weapons inspectors to leave Iraq.

Bush to address the nation at 8pm est.

Time to cross fingers for minimal casualties.
 

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I believe when all is said and done, that they will indeed find weapons of mass destruction, not a few, but many.

The contesters will have egg on their faces, while our countries will make a great sacrifice.

The French government has made a grave mistake, by turning down the new resoulution, even before the Iraqi's response was heard.

Just my 2.

 

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11:43 2003-03-17

Iraq: the War Started Friday

Further to numerous news stories about the presence of US, British and Australian special forces inside Iraq, fresh reports seem to suggest the American-led offensive already started last Friday.

Usually well informed DEBKA FILE reports that US and British commandos crossed into Iraq from Kuwait, occupying a number of Iraqi oil fields. In addition, Western aircraft started flying some 600 bombing sorties per day. Strategic B1 bombers have been used against targets positioned outside the 'no fly zones' without any attempt to disguise the new attacks.

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Where can we get more info on this???
 

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Get this, my 12 year old told me over the weekend that we were already bombing Iraq!!! I never saw or heard the story, so I don't know where she found it on line. I knew we would be the last to know, but I'm sure they need to keep it a surprise for Iraq.

Let's just pray that it's over with fast and very successful with very few casualties.
 

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After we bomed Afghanistan we (our government) decided to rebuild there country with 60 BILLION dollars. How much of our hard earned money is going to go into rebuilding Iraq? Let's just hope there's a minimal or no U.S casualties!!!
 

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as far as i'm concerned the u.n can rebuild iraq....why do we have to??? i pay enough in taxes and should have a say in where our money goes.l
 

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Cook resigns over Iraq
16.58PM GMT, 17 Mar 2003
Commons Leader Robin Cook has resigned from the Cabinet in protest over impending military action against Iraq.

Mr Cook made his decision after Sir Jeremy Greenstock, the British Ambassador to the UN, announced that there would be no Security Council vote on a second resolution.

Mr Cook said in a short, two-sentence statement: "It is with regret I have today resigned from its Cabinet.

The only reason he would resign is because he knows were going to war.
 

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QUOTE(Ken Neeley @ Mar 17 2003, 11:53 AM)Where can we get more info on this???
DEBKA
 

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This does not sound good.

Iraqi regime will stage ''surrender'' in attempt to spread smallpox, plague

KUN0008 4 GEN 0319 KUWAIT /KUNA-PZY9
MIL-KUWAIT-CHEMICAL W.
Iraqi regime will stage 'surrender' in attempt to spread smallpox, plague

By Majda Al-Awadi
KUWAIT, Mar 16 (KUNA) -- Iraq's chemical and biological weapons possession
is the main conflict between the United Nations and the Iraqi regime, due to
the U.N. weapons inspectors disbelief that the Iraqi regime has uncovered its
entire arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, which pose a threat to both
the people of Iraq and the entire world, a chemical defense expert said.
Speaking to Kuwait News Agency (KUNA) at a time when it is necessary to
understand many aspects of chemical and biological weapons, non-traditional
weapons expert and former Chemical Defense Consultant at the Ministry of
Defense Dr. Hamad Al-Hasawi said these weapons can be hidden and transported
from one location to another, only to be brought out when needed for use in
acts of terror against those whose opinions and policies differ from the Iraqi
regime's.
Al-Hasawi said the difference between chemical and biological agents are
that chemical agents are in the form of either liquid or gas that can kill
people, animals and plants, and are sometimes in the form of a spray or
vapor. These chemical agents can cause burns to the body, in addition to
mental or physical paralysis if a person is exposed to a sufficient amount of
the agent, the expert said.
As for biological agents, he continued, they are usually germs such as
bacteria, fungus or viruses that are used in times of war to inflict disease
and poison on troops, Al-Hasawi said. Biological agents have a longer life
than chemical agents, and they also have the ability to grow and spread, which
can cause a plague-like spread of the disease, the expert explained.
Different kinds of biological agents include anthrax, cholera and the plague,
as well as viruses such as polio, smallpox and yellow fever, he added.
Referring to the danger of such chemical and biological agents,
Al-Hasawi said they posed a threat if various forms of precautionary measures
are not taken. First of all, the expert advised taking precautions such as
the preparation of gas masks and protection suits, boots, cleaning agents and
injections to fight chemical agents.
Secondly, Al-Hasawi spoke of group protection methods that should be
secured, such as shelters that are supplied with air pumps, pressure
generators, first aid kits and communication facilities.
Biological agents can pose various dangers to humans, such as affecting the
respiratory system and causing suffocation or infection that can reach the
lungs, the expert said. If the nose, mouth or skin is subjected to a nerve
agent, Al-Hasawi continued, the nervous system can come to a halt.
To clarify, Al-Hasawi said that chemical agents have to be concentrated in
large amounts, for a long enough period, in order for a person to receive a
dosage that can kill them.
Al-Hasawi said there has been conflicting information regarding chemical
and biological agents possessed by Iraq, which has left the public in a state
of confusion not knowing what to believe
He said the Iraqi regime is using its entire means to hide its
chemical weapons reserve, which is estimated at approximately 200 tons of
mustard gas and 400 tons of VX, as cited in reports by United Nations weapons
inspectors.
Moreover, Iraq is capable of manufacturing large amounts of mustard gas, a
chemical agent, which can have a devastating effect on humans, causing lesions
and burns on the body, Al-Hasawi said. Iraq has used mustard gas, in
concentrated amounts and in lethal doses, in the past against Iranian troops,
he continued.
The expert predicted the Iraqi regime would attempt to spread smallpox and
the plague by sending a number of troops to the frontlines, where they would
stage a 'surrender' to Allied Forces, with the intent of spreading disease.
In regards to weather conditions, the expert said both rain and humidity
take their toll on chemical agents, most of which dilute and pose less of a
threat when exposed to such weather.
As for the modern weapons expected to be used by the Allied Forces against
the Iraqi regime, Al-Hasawi said the United States has over the past twelve
years developed various defense weapons and produced several attack weapons
designed to destroy missile launchers, particularly those carrying chemical
and biological warheads.
The expert explained that last year a newly developed system was announced
that depended on high frequency short wave that could be used against Iraqi
missiles carrying chemical or biological weapons of mass destruction. Through
the use of over two million watts of electromagnetic shock, the missiles are
burned and completely destroyed, as are communication facilities, computers
and electricity networks, he added.
Furthermore, unmanned spy planes have also been developed to provide ground
and air forces with critical information regarding the whereabouts of Iraqi
troops, while carrying over 3,000 lbs of smart bombs that can be directed
towards the exact target location, Al-Hasawi said.
Advising the public on taking precautionary measures to protect them from
the possibility of a chemical attack, Al-Hasawi advised first and foremost to
maintain a healthy mental and psychological state in order to face such
possibilities.
Al-Hasawi called on people to follow-up and pay attention to news
reports and awareness programs from official sources, such as the Department
of Civil Defense.
Also, the expert called for the preparation of a 'safe-room' where all
doors and openings are closed with duct tape, so as to protect from a chemical
attack. This room should be large enough for all family members, with two
square meters of space allocated for each person, he said.
Once everyone is in the room, make sure that all openings and doorways are
sealed shut, the expert cautioned. Al-Hasawi also reminded the public to
close all air conditioning units and electricity outlets, in addition to water
faucets.
In order to protect yourself from a chemical attack if you are in your car,
make sure the vehicle is supplied with protective masks beforehand, Al-Hasawi
said. Also, keep water bottles in the car, to be used for drinking and
for moistening towels or rags to be used when closing air conditioning
openings in the car, he added.
Listen closely to the radio for directions on what to do, remaining calm
and focused, the expert added. Follow instructions and do not risk your life
or the lives of others, following traffic regulations and driving within the
speed limit, he said.
Drive to the closest safe area, Al-Hasawi said, and seek protection. (end)
ma.naa
 

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QUOTE(-Merlin- @ Mar 17 2003, 10:33 AM)I believe when all is said and done, that they will indeed find weapons of mass destruction, not a few, but many.

The contesters will have egg on their faces, while our countries will all make a great sacrifice.

The French government has made a grave mistake, by turning down the new resoulution, even before the Iraqi's response was heard.

Just my 2.



Yes..in the end....It will be shown that those fools were lying. Weapons will be found...You cannot trust them, their leader is a complete nutjob!!!

The rest of the world should get down and bow before our feet when the dust all settles. We are not just looking out for our best interests here, this is for all mankind whether people realize this or not. Funny, how stupid some people can be. Its all so very simple. MY 2 CENTS...Do not want to offend anyone on this...JUST MY VIEW!!!!

I am Ninja: IRAQ - What is their major malfunction???

SideBar: Again - if the world were like us here...It would be a better place! For our Parents, for us and our children ( or future children in my case )
 

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QUOTE(MidKnight @ Mar 17 2003, 01:05 PM)SideBar: Again - if the world were like us here...It would be a better place! For our Parents, for us and our children ( or future children in my case )
Let's invite the WORLD to TNT's and show 'em what good, patriotic, red-blooded Americans are like!!!
 

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QUOTE(Ken Neeley @ Mar 17 2003, 01:08 PM)QUOTE(MidKnight @ Mar 17 2003, 01:05 PM)

SideBar: Again - if the world were like us here...It would be a better place! For our Parents, for us and our children ( or future children in my case )
Let's invite the WORLD to TNT's and show 'em what good, patriotic, red-blooded Americans are like!!!

Thats all these women here at the Network need...A bunch of horny Non US natives looking to make love, not war!!!!!!!


I am Ninja: Tell me he didnt just say that - WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Strange, alot of protesters protest so they can say they were protesters. a recent poll said 71% of american support getting Saddam out of control. 19% dont. %10 undecided. Its funny how much noise that 19% can make. Nobody wants to be pro war cuz war is a ugly terrible thing. How ever Id rather die defending freedom then die in a terror attack.

I have the war channel on all the time, my daughter asked me if there is a war will I have to go fight. Shocked that she actually understands all thats going on. Well I said no, then explained to her that she doesnt have to worry about anything becuase we live in America.

THE GREATEST MOST POWERFUL & COMPASSIONATE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Were far from perfect but Ill always be proud to be an American.

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Text of UN Security Council Resolution 1441 concerning Iraq (Look's pretty straight forward to me)

adopted by unanimous vote on 2002-11-08
The Security Council,
Recalling all its previous relevant resolutions, in particular its resolutions 661 (1990) of 6 August 1990, 678 (1990) of 29 November 1990, 686 (1991) of 2 March 1991, 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991, 688 (1991) of 5 April 1991, 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, 715 (1991) of 11 October 1991, 986 (1995) of 14 April 1995, and 1284 (1999) of 17 December 1999, and all the relevant statements of its President,

Recalling also its resolution 1382 (2001) of 29 November 2001 and its intention to implement it fully,

Recognizing the threat Iraq's noncompliance with Council resolutions and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range missiles poses to international peace and security,

Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to Resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,

Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of restoring international peace and security in the area,

Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full, final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991), of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons, their components and production facilities and locations, as well as all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,

Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,

Deploring the absence, since December 1998, in Iraq of international monitoring, inspection, and verification, as required by relevant resolutions, of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, in spite of the Council's repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC), established in resolution 1284 (1999) as the successor organization to UNSCOM, and the IAEA, and regretting the consequent prolonging of the crisis in the region and the suffering of the Iraqi people,

Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its civilian population and to provide access by international humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq, and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property wrongfully seized by Iraq,

Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,

Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions and recalling that the resolutions of the Council constitute the governing standard of Iraqi compliance,

Recalling that the effective operation of UNMOVIC, as the successor organization to the Special Commission, and the IAEA is essential for the implementation of resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant resolutions,

Noting the letter dated 16 September 2002 from the Minister for Foreign Affairs of Iraq addressed to the Secretary General is a necessary first step toward rectifying Iraq's continued failure to comply with relevant Council resolutions,

Noting further the letter dated 8 October 2002 from the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq laying out the practical arrangements, as a follow-up to their meeting in Vienna, that are prerequisites for the resumption of inspections in Iraq by UNMOVIC and the IAEA, and expressing the gravest concern at the continued failure by the Government of Iraq to provide confirmation of the arrangements as laid out in that letter,

Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighbouring States,

Commending the Secretary General and members of the League of Arab States and its Secretary General for their efforts in this regard,

Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions,

Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);

2. Decides, while acknowledging paragraph 1 above, to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations under relevant resolutions of the Council; and accordingly decides to set up an enhanced inspection regime with the aim of bringing to full and verified completion the disarmament process established by resolution 687 (1991) and subsequent resolutions of the Council;

3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;

4. Decides that false statements or omissions in the declarations submitted by Iraq pursuant to this resolution and failure by Iraq at any time to comply with, and cooperate fully in the implementation of, this resolution shall constitute a further material breach of Iraq's obligations and will be reported to the Council for assessment in accordance with paragraphs 11 and or 12 below;

5. Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC's or the IAEA's choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;

6. Endorses the 8 October 2002 letter from the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to General Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq, which is annexed hereto, and decides that the contents of the letter shall be binding upon Iraq;

7. Decides further that, in view of the prolonged interruption by Iraq of the presence of UNMOVIC and the IAEA and in order for them to accomplish the tasks set forth in this resolution and all previous relevant resolutions and notwithstanding prior understandings, the Council hereby establishes the following revised or additional authorities, which shall be binding upon Iraq, to facilitate their work in Iraq:

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall determine the composition of their inspection teams and ensure that these teams are composed of the most qualified and experienced experts available;

All UNMOVIC and IAEA personnel shall enjoy the privileges and immunities, corresponding to those of experts on mission, provided in the Convention on Privileges and Immunities of the United Nations and the Agreement on the Privileges and Immunities of the IAEA;

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have unrestricted rights of entry into and out of Iraq, the right to free, unrestricted, and immediate movement to and from inspection sites, and the right to inspect any sites and buildings, including immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to Presidential Sites equal to that at other sites, notwithstanding the provisions of resolution 1154 (1998);

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to be provided by Iraq the names of all personnel currently and formerly associated with Iraq's chemical, biological, nuclear, and ballistic missile programmes and the associated research, development, and production facilities;

Security of UNMOVIC and IAEA facilities shall be ensured by sufficient UN security guards;

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to declare, for the purposes of freezing a site to be inspected, exclusion zones, including surrounding areas and transit corridors, in which Iraq will suspend ground and aerial movement so that nothing is changed in or taken out of a site being inspected;

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the free and unrestricted use and landing of fixed- and rotary-winged aircraft, including manned and unmanned reconnaissance vehicles;

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right at their sole discretion verifiably to remove, destroy, or render harmless all prohibited weapons, subsystems, components, records, materials, and other related items, and the right to impound or close any facilities or equipment for the production thereof; and

UNMOVIC and the IAEA shall have the right to free import and use of equipment or materials for inspections and to seize and export any equipment, materials, or documents taken during inspections, without search of UNMOVIC or IAEA personnel or official or personal baggage;
8. Decides further that Iraq shall not take or threaten hostile acts directed against any representative or personnel of the United Nations or the IAEA or of any Member State taking action to uphold any Council resolution;

9. Requests the Secretary General immediately to notify Iraq of this resolution, which is binding on Iraq; demands that Iraq confirm within seven days of that notification its intention to comply fully with this resolution; and demands further that Iraq cooperate immediately, unconditionally, and actively with UNMOVIC and the IAEA;

10. Requests all Member States to give full support to UNMOVIC and the IAEA in the discharge of their mandates, including by providing any information related to prohibited programmes or other aspects of their mandates, including on Iraqi attempts since 1998 to acquire prohibited items, and by recommending sites to be inspected, persons to be interviewed, conditions of such interviews, and data to be collected, the results of which shall be reported to the Council by UNMOVIC and the IAEA;

11. Directs the Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director General of the IAEA to report immediately to the Council any interference by Iraq with inspection activities, as well as any failure by Iraq to comply with its disarmament obligations, including its obligations regarding inspections under this resolution;

12. Decides to convene immediately upon receipt of a report in accordance with paragraphs 4 or 11 above, in order to consider the situation and the need for full compliance with all of the relevant Council resolutions in order to secure international peace and security;

13. Recalls, in that context, that the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;

14. Decides to remain seized of the matter.
 

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Alright then. Since it looks like we are in this thing, I pray that the U.S. government does em up old school and unleashes the full fury of the United States and British Forces. If we finished this thing from the get go we wouldn't be doing this 12 years later. No more Vietnams and no one coming home with any lingering doubts or questions. We're there and I'd be pi$$ing on the dress blue uniform I keep reverently packed in my closet if I didn't throw my whole support behind the guys on the front lines. I have to admit it, I don't give a crap about politicians and lobbyists who only have their jobs because they are the lowest societal common denominator and can't do. But I love the "dog" soldiers in the trenches. These guys run into the breach and don't ask why. They are a very powerful instrument and I pray that they get everything they need to successfully complete their mission and come home "fast"!!
 

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QUOTE(traveler @ Mar 17 2003, 02:50 PM)Alright then. Since it looks like we are in this thing, I pray that the U.S. government does em up old school and unleashes the full fury of the United States and British Forces. If we finished this thing from the get go we wouldn't be doing this 12 years later. No more Vietnams and no one coming home with any lingering doubts or questions. We're there and I'd be pi$$ing on the dress blue uniform I keep reverently packed in my closet if I didn't throw my whole support behind the guys on the front lines. I have to admit it, I don't give a crap about politicians and lobbyists who only have their jobs because they are the lowest societal common denominator and can't do. But I love the "dog" soldiers in the trenches. These guys run into the breach and don't ask why. They are a very powerful instrument and I pray that they get everything they need to successfully complete their mission and come home "fast"!!
HELL YEAH BROTHER! KICK SOME a$$ BOYS!
 
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