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We had to put my Golden ret. to sleep on new years eve (prostate cancer, he was 13) and the wife is finally ready for a new dog. She wants a English bulldog or a toy/miniature English bulldog(less than 40#) . I have looked and they are like 1500-2500 bucks with a very rare 500-600 buck range.

Im sorry but that is a heck of a lot of money for a dog. So if you know anyone who's dog just had pups of have any helpful incite let me know. I don't mind spending money on a good dog but 2k WOW!

I want a golden again but I think she is set on the eng.bulldog

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QUOTE(Flatlandfishing @ Jan 31 2010, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We had to put my Golden ret. to sleep on new years eve (prostate cancer, he was 13) and the wife is finally ready for a new dog. She wants a English bulldog or a toy/miniature English bulldog(less than 40#) . I have looked and they are like 1500-2500 bucks with a very rare 500-600 buck range.

Im sorry but that is a heck of a lot of money for a dog. So if you know anyone who's dog just had pups of have any helpful incite let me know. I don't mind spending money on a good dog but 2k WOW!

I want a golden again but I think she is set on the eng.bulldog

Thanks-Chris

CHRIS, DID U CHECK OUT ANY ENGLISH BULLDOG RESCUE WEB SITES? LOOK UP: ENGLISH BULLDOG RESCUES IN MICHIGAN. SOMETIMES THERE ARE PUPPIES AVAILABLE. U DIDN'T SAY IF IT HAD TO BE A REGISTERED PURE BRED. OFTEN RESCUES HAVE REGISTERED AND NON REGISTERED PURE BREDS. THE DOWN SIDE BEING YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM IF ITS NOT REGISTERED. JUST A THOUGHT.
 

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I would have to agree with jackie. I got my doberman from the humane society. I paid 200 for her but she is the greatest dog ever. I believe that once a dog goes to a shelter they know that when they get a second chance they are much more appreciative. Good Luck Chris.
 

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When hubby and I were looking for an american bulldog puppy. It was hard to find a breeder. We ended up at some guys house who had them in a crappy basement. I paid 450 for her and she is a great dog. Less than a year after we got her she had devoloped hip displasia, bladder problems and a bad under bite. Dont get me wrong Id kill for my baby girl but I wish she wouldn't have so many problems for her sake.
I learned my lesson for going just for the cheaper dogs. I wish I would have gone to a reputable breeder so It didn't cost me in the long run for tons of vet bills.

I think people who breed dogs need to be licensed and stop backyard breeders who don't know what they are doing.
You get what you pay for.
I think our next dog will be another rescue dog. Ive always had good luck with them. There are so many dogs that need homes from shelters,fosters, craigslist and human society.
I got 2 dogs from human society, 1 dog from my exs grandma, 1 dog from craigslist and then the 1 from that idiot breeder.
 

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Go to a rescue dont go to a breder. Breeders are the reason there are so many homeless dogs out there. If people kep going to breeders they will never stop and there will always be dogs in shelters being put to sleep. Do yourself and a dog a favor and go to a rescue or shelter. when you rescue a dog you can see it in their face and the way they act that they appreciate everything you have done for them. you also feel much better knowing that you helped at least one dog live.
 

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QUOTE(waterfordmatt @ Jan 31 2010, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Go to a rescue dont go to a breder. Breeders are the reason there are so many homeless dogs out there. If people kep going to breeders they will never stop and there will always be dogs in shelters being put to sleep.

Let's not badmouth breeders. There's nothing wrong with breeding dogs and doing it right. Puppy mills, NO! But reputable breeders who do it right....there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Shelter dogs are awesome, and I know alot of people who have amazing dogs from shelters and rescues. But I have three friends that are breeders, and my dog came from one of them, and he's not in a shelter and never will be. Breeders are why we still have purebreds and they're instrumental in helping to stem lines of dysplasia, EIC and other genetic diseases.

Dogs are in shelters for alot of reasons. Often because people love puppies, but not caring for grown dogs. That's not the breeders' fault that people abandon dogs, or take the time to drop them off at the shelter.

Blaming breeders for dogs in shelters is like blaming GM for cars in used car lots.
 

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I got my other dog from the pound. He is a chow-retriever mix. He got the hip prob and arthritis at the age of 2. He is an awesome dog despite his probs.

Jackie- I have spent more time looking up Bulldogs than porn and fishing combined-and thats a lot of time.we have looked at the the bull dog rescue local and most eng bulldogs are mixed with pit or rot. -- not 4 me

If I could get a dog for a few hundred bucks I would not worry about the papers.

The wife is set on an english bulldog. I want a golden ret but this will be her dog.

I am hoping that posting this will get me some more eyes out there for a dog.
 

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QUOTE(esoxfly @ Jan 31 2010, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(waterfordmatt @ Jan 31 2010, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Go to a rescue dont go to a breder. Breeders are the reason there are so many homeless dogs out there. If people kep going to breeders they will never stop and there will always be dogs in shelters being put to sleep.

Let's not badmouth breeders. There's nothing wrong with breeding dogs and doing it right. Puppy mills, NO! But reputable breeders who do it right....there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Shelter dogs are awesome, and I know alot of people who have amazing dogs from shelters and rescues. But I have three friends that are breeders, and my dog came from one of them, and he's not in a shelter and never will be. Breeders are why we still have purebreds and they're instrumental in helping to stem lines of dysplasia, EIC and other genetic diseases.

Dogs are in shelters for alot of reasons. Often because people love puppies, but not caring for grown dogs. That's not the breeders' fault that pand eople abandon dogs, or take the time to drop them off at the shelter.

Blaming breeders for dogs in shelters is like blaming GM for cars in used car lots.


totally disagree get your dogs fixed and adopt and we wont have the problems with overcrowded shelters. so yup get rid of the breeders and see how many dogs are in shelters. its from breeders selling dogs to people who in turn think they can do the same thing and they dont get their animals fixed. so yes it stems from the breeders.
 

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its the puppy mills and the back yard breeders that are destroying the breeds of dogs these days and the over populated pounds..a good breeder will do whats best for the dog breed...a good breeder cant prevent what dumb people do with their dogs once sold..although i had to prove that i had my white boxer fixed after we got her cause you shouldn't breed white boxers and i had no problem with that...and to be honest if your gonna get a bully pay the money or do a extensive back round check with references...that breed blew up in the last 3 years and everyone is out to make a quick buck
 

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Ok I know there is an issue with breeders/puppy mills/home brew breeders. I am just asking for help on looking for a good dog that my wife wants.

My thought is there might be someone here that had pups and wants to get rid of one cheap to a great home.
If you can help great if not please keep it nice
Thanks-Chris and family
 

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QUOTE(Flatlandfishing @ Jan 31 2010, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We had to put my Golden ret. to sleep on new years eve (prostate cancer, he was 13) and the wife is finally ready for a new dog. She wants a English bulldog or a toy/miniature English bulldog(less than 40#) . I have looked and they are like 1500-2500 bucks with a very rare 500-600 buck range.

Im sorry but that is a heck of a lot of money for a dog. So if you know anyone who's dog just had pups of have any helpful incite let me know. I don't mind spending money on a good dog but 2k WOW!

I want a golden again but I think she is set on the eng.bulldog

Thanks-Chris

here is one at a rescue that I found that is in macomb county. looks like a good lookin boy
http://www.rescuebulldogs.org/showdog.pl?id=2644
 

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QUOTE(waterfordmatt @ Jan 31 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>totally disagree get your dogs fixed and adopt and we wont have the problems with overcrowded shelters. so yup get rid of the breeders and see how many dogs are in shelters. its from breeders selling dogs to people who in turn think they can do the same thing and they dont get their animals fixed. so yes it stems from the breeders.

So with all dogs fixed, and no breeders, where do we get dogs from? Just let strays keep the Earth populated? Get rid of the breeders and see how many dogs there are period. They have to come from somewhere, unless you just want a planet full of mutts. And there's nothing wrong with mutts, but I can't hunt with a beagle/basset/shepherd/rott/dalmation/poodle/dachsund mix.

I'm sticking with my opinion and disagree with you. It's not the breeder's fault that someone buys a cute puppy for Christmas and then realizes vet bills, training and effort and ditches it in a shelter. Don't villianize the breeders man. Call out the lazy dog owners that can't take care of their animals. If you have a dog that you don't intend to breed, then by all means snip it. Alot of shelter dogs come from (again) owners that let their dogs run the neighborhood knocking up other free dogs. It always comes back to owners concerning dogs in shelters, and excess populations.

You also have to realize that some of us train our dogs as well. And I don't mean to shake hands or roll over. I mean as dedicated hunting/working dogs. And that is best from a pup. Pure and simple. I've owned four labs, all from pups and trained them myself. I'm not going to go to a shelter and try to train a 5 year old dog to work the way I need/want it to work.

By the way, my purebred lab is "intact" and I fully plan to breed him with my Dad's purebred lab and they're going to make amazing pups. I'll assume you don't want one. They haven't even paired yet, and we have a waiting list of people who want pure labs up from a pup and don't want to go to a shelter. Shelters aren't for everyone bro.

Opinions are great, and we can agree to disagree. But don't slam the breeders for something that is out of their control and they aren't responsible for. And again, I'm talking about competant, reputable breeders. Not puppy mills servicing pet stores and mall parking lots.

But saying "get rid of the breeders" is like saying "get rid of the car makers so there's no used car dealerships."
 

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QUOTE(esoxfly @ Feb 1 2010, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(waterfordmatt @ Jan 31 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>totally disagree get your dogs fixed and adopt and we wont have the problems with overcrowded shelters. so yup get rid of the breeders and see how many dogs are in shelters. its from breeders selling dogs to people who in turn think they can do the same thing and they dont get their animals fixed. so yes it stems from the breeders.

So with all dogs fixed, and no breeders, where do we get dogs from? Just let strays keep the Earth populated? Get rid of the breeders and see how many dogs there are period. They have to come from somewhere, unless you just want a planet full of mutts. And there's nothing wrong with mutts, but I can't hunt with a beagle/basset/shepherd/rott/dalmation/poodle/dachsund mix.

I'm sticking with my opinion and disagree with you. It's not the breeder's fault that someone buys a cute puppy for Christmas and then realizes vet bills, training and effort and ditches it in a shelter. Don't villianize the breeders man. Call out the lazy dog owners that can't take care of their animals. If you have a dog that you don't intend to breed, then by all means snip it. Alot of shelter dogs come from (again) owners that let their dogs run the neighborhood knocking up other free dogs. It always comes back to owners concerning dogs in shelters, and excess populations.

You also have to realize that some of us train our dogs as well. And I don't mean to shake hands or roll over. I mean as dedicated hunting/working dogs. And that is best from a pup. Pure and simple. I've owned four labs, all from pups and trained them myself. I'm not going to go to a shelter and try to train a 5 year old dog to work the way I need/want it to work.

By the way, my purebred lab is "intact" and I fully plan to breed him with my Dad's purebred lab and they're going to make amazing pups. I'll assume you don't want one. They haven't even paired yet, and we have a waiting list of people who want pure labs up from a pup and don't want to go to a shelter. Shelters aren't for everyone bro.

Opinions are great, and we can agree to disagree. But don't slam the breeders for something that is out of their control and they aren't responsible for. And again, I'm talking about competant, reputable breeders. Not puppy mills servicing pet stores and mall parking lots.

But saying "get rid of the breeders" is like saying "get rid of the car makers so there's no used car dealerships."


have you tried training a "mutt" to hunt? I have and as matter a fact I know many people in the U.P. that hunt with mixed dogs. if you get them as a puppy you can train them just like any other dog.
 

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QUOTE(esoxfly @ Feb 1 2010, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(waterfordmatt @ Jan 31 2010, 08:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>totally disagree get your dogs fixed and adopt and we wont have the problems with overcrowded shelters. so yup get rid of the breeders and see how many dogs are in shelters. its from breeders selling dogs to people who in turn think they can do the same thing and they dont get their animals fixed. so yes it stems from the breeders.

So with all dogs fixed, and no breeders, where do we get dogs from? Just let strays keep the Earth populated? Get rid of the breeders and see how many dogs there are period. They have to come from somewhere, unless you just want a planet full of mutts. And there's nothing wrong with mutts, but I can't hunt with a beagle/basset/shepherd/rott/dalmation/poodle/dachsund mix.

I'm sticking with my opinion and disagree with you. It's not the breeder's fault that someone buys a cute puppy for Christmas and then realizes vet bills, training and effort and ditches it in a shelter. Don't villianize the breeders man. Call out the lazy dog owners that can't take care of their animals. If you have a dog that you don't intend to breed, then by all means snip it. Alot of shelter dogs come from (again) owners that let their dogs run the neighborhood knocking up other free dogs. It always comes back to owners concerning dogs in shelters, and excess populations.

You also have to realize that some of us train our dogs as well. And I don't mean to shake hands or roll over. I mean as dedicated hunting/working dogs. And that is best from a pup. Pure and simple. I've owned four labs, all from pups and trained them myself. I'm not going to go to a shelter and try to train a 5 year old dog to work the way I need/want it to work.

By the way, my purebred lab is "intact" and I fully plan to breed him with my Dad's purebred lab and they're going to make amazing pups. I'll assume you don't want one. They haven't even paired yet, and we have a waiting list of people who want pure labs up from a pup and don't want to go to a shelter. Shelters aren't for everyone bro.

Opinions are great, and we can agree to disagree. But don't slam the breeders for something that is out of their control and they aren't responsible for. And again, I'm talking about competant, reputable breeders. Not puppy mills servicing pet stores and mall parking lots.

But saying "get rid of the breeders" is like saying "get rid of the car makers so there's no used car dealerships."


and you are exactly the kind of person im talking about. the backyard breeder. you see other people doing it so hey I may as well do it. and to use car car industrial line to explain yourself really shows me your the kind of person im talking about. lets just run as many down the line we can somebody will takem. they are living breathing caring animals that just want to be loved and when breeders "make" as many as they can thats when the end up in shelters. believe me I worked in a humane society and I have seen how many animals get put down on a DAILY basis. im not saying there is anything wrong with training animals for hunting or dogsledding or anthing like that. Im saying save a dogs life and adopt one they are much more appreciative.
 

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Go to neutral corners gentlemen. Theres good arguements on both sides of this coin. It depends on what you are looking for certain breed, or color or age or even temperment and size, what do you want the dog,cat, horse or fish for?
Just because you go to a breeder or a humane society doesn't always guarantee the results you're looking for, It depends on everyones individual desire.
 

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I repeat again- I am just looking for help finding a dog and thought people here might know someone.
There is no need to fight your points.
Waterford- I did see those dogs but I dont want a dog with a bad stomach- I have one of those now and it sux.

Can someone close this-I see that I am not going to get help.
Thanks mods.
 
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