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Went on second interview yesterday, everything went well until we started discussing pay. HR person said we can't discuse pay until I get copies of your current check stubs from current employer(she didn't ask for them prior).

This puzzled me! How are you supposed to advance yourself if they are gonna compare your current salary, and base your new one.

I said, please keep in mind that my current salary is reflective of 25% pay reduction.

Should I send them??????

Then to top it off since I installed W2000 I can't get my printer and scanner to work
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Boy that's tough Gary. At least if they just asked you, you could inflate the #'s a bit, but now you have to show them! I think that's really invasive too <_< Are you SURE you wanna work for these people?
I am really second guessing that....Is it even legal???

I figure to submit see what they offer...if they insult...tell them to go swin up the Hershey Highway
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they want copies ? umm that is wierd!
i don't know about that ! i don't think it is non of their buisness what you make, it is their buisness what they will pay you.
WTF! No way would I show my old pay stubs to a prospective employer! I'd find some other place to work.
Having dealt with this about two years ago...

I offered that if the potential employer wasn't willing to open a discussion about my prospective salary based upon my abilities, experience, and the national averages for similarly employed professionals, I wasn't interested in pursuing employment with them further.

I called their bluff.

We discussed salaries and I got my way. If I hadn't, I'd have walked. An employer who isn't willing to openly discuss salary without basing it on previous employer's possibly faulty salary structures isn't an employer with any sort of future.

Determine how badly you need the job, and whether it will be a temporary employment until you can do better. Base your decision on that.

As for me, I'd never show any prospective employer any check stubs, and they can't get that info from your current employer by calling them.
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QUOTE(garydebs @ Nov 1 2003, 10:41 AM)I am really second guessing that....Is it even legal???
You need to find out and if it's not prove it to them. I think it's wrong, totally wrong.

Good luck to you, Gary!
Wow, that doesn't sound good. A smart company would never pay you based on anyone else's judgment of your worth, because that worth is relative.

As far as legailty, I don't think it is illegal for them to ask for that info, but what's important is that it's not illegal to not supply it. There is no law that says you must hand over old pay stubs. The only stipulation would be if you signed any sory of agreement with them already, where the fine print might say you must hand over your old stubs.

The challenging thing will be coming up with a way to tell say no-ah-ah. Maybe you should politely decline, suggest a target rangeand go onto explain that you think your salary should reflect what they think you are worth to their company, not what you are worth to another company.

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FYI, most paystubs have your Social Security number on them, as well as your deductions, I.E fiend of court. I would explain thet there is some confidential information on it that your uncomfortable sharing. I would then say the salary range I was comfortable with.
The question wasn't illegal, just rude.

I posed your question to my wife, who has a degree in HR and is the HR person for her company. She said it isn't illegal for them to ask for this information. If you are worried about private info like SS numbers and the such, they will get that anyway if they hire you, so if you are trying to hide something they will find out eventually. She was curious if you provided your current salary information to your employer on your application or your resume. If so, she thinks that maybe they are trying to verify whether you provided them with accurate information or not and to see how honest you are before hiring you. While a lot of companies do back ground checks and the such, they still want to verify your honesty. Personally I would be a little pissed they would have the nads to ask for such a thing, I am sure they have their reasons. My wife said they have recently changed their policies regarding degrees. Now they actually contact the schools to verify degrees and such where before they trusted people. Hope this helps.
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QUOTENow they actually contact the schools to verify degrees

I've had to have ALL my trascripts sent certified to an employer.

I have three DISMISSED felony charges that were "discovered" by a background investigation ( BTW, I was hired, but they felt compelled to mention it, I pointed out they were dismmissed, and the application stated "convicted").

Your absolutely right when you say they will find out eventually. you have to be forthright and honest. But I must say, asking for a copy as some sort of prrof is a bit over the edge, they can contact the employer and get that information themselves.
id look elsewhere, and wouldnt show them anything like that. once had a guy ask me if i had kids because he wanted to hire someone with a family saying that reason being a person with kids would be on time everyday to work and show up. more than a person with out kids. <_<
Prior to any interviews salary was not mentioned or provided. During the first interview they asked what my range was. I gave it the them. The HR person said that it fell within their range. The person I interviewed with asked the same...I gave him the same range he said that they would probably pay higher than that.

Not I do not fault someone to get the best deal for their company...just don't base my current salary with my current employer. Why else would I leave and increase my drive time, etc etc etc.

When I questioned why they needed stubs, she said because they want to be sure that they are bringing we in with in the averages, and that it is comparable to their employees.
QUOTE(garydebs @ Nov 2 2003, 10:22 AM)When I questioned why they needed stubs, she said because they want to be sure that they are bringing we in with in the averages, and that it is comparable to their employees.
That still doesn't make sense! What does your stub have to do with their employees, or even the "average" ???

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QUOTE(Capt'n Mike @ Nov 2 2003, 11:59 AM)QUOTE(garydebs @ Nov 2 2003, 10:22 AM) When I questioned why they needed stubs, she said because they want to be sure that they are bringing we in with in the averages, and that it is comparable to their employees.
That still doesn't make sense! What does your stub have to do with their employees, or even the "average" ???

I agree with Capt. Mike on this one.

We know you want and deserve a new job...You do have to weigh if its worth it.
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Being cautious....

Why should I go from one crappy job to another with added travel just for money???

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I wouldn't do it. It's none of their business. I have been asked that before and declined...still got the job though..
I've had lots of jobs and was never asked to provide proof of past salary.

If you said you had to make at least what you are making (instead of naming a figure), and they agreed to do that plus a little, they may ask such a thing. Or if you are a salesman who is mostly commissioned and have told them you can produce a certain amount, they may want to see proof. But for any kind of salaried or hourly work that you didn't bring your current salary into, I don't get it. If, for instance, you said you can't change jobs for less than $50,000 a year, they have no reason to see what you're making. Maybe you're only making 40 but your current job is close to home or you have earned lots of vacation - whatever the case may be, you are the only one who can decide what it will take for you to move.

If they're making a deal out of salary when hiring you, you may want to ask about annual increases. On my first anniversary with my current employer, I was given an 8% raise - nice! Since then we have a very complicated way to get raises. First, your manager completes a 20 part form rating your performance in each area from 1 to 5. Then all the values are added up and seen as a percentage of total possible points (20 X 5 = 100). Then you get that percentage of whatever the maximum allowed raise is. Even though we have been hitting record earnings and profits for the last five years, the maximum annual increase has been set at 3.5%. Now if you score, say, 80% on the manager's evaluation, which is about the best anyone can do, you get 80% of 3.5%, or 2.8% raise. If you try to take exception with the figure, your manager just holds up the evaluation sheet and says, "Hey, the numbers don't lie?" And that's that.

Who isn't looking for a new job?
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Well I sent them...figuring it is in God's hands anyway. Received an email back from the HR girl saying she'l get back with me in a day or so... <_< If it is meant to be it!
good luck Gary! I hope they come in higher than you expected to make up for the drive time you will be encountering. Keep us posted!
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