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Not really a LSC topic, but has anyone else heard the rumor that the Oakland County Sherrif's Office is shutting down it's marine division? I've heard that they will maintain thier dive team and one or two dive boats and that's it.
 

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We live on one of the Oakland County lakes that has a Sheriffs boat parked in front of a residents home and yep, their done after this year, budgegt issues I guess. My heart isn't broken because they do tend to put a a damper on things when they're out there. We ski during the week before work and don't always have an observer and believe it or not they have showed up at 7:00 am to scold us. Glad to see they will be gone doing more important things with my money.
 

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QUOTE(Stodge @ Jul 14 2009, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wouldn't the DNR take over?

Yeah, I am sure they will out there busting power loeaders. They'll get on that right away...
 

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QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 13 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We live on one of the Oakland County lakes that has a Sheriffs boat parked in front of a residents home and yep, their done after this year, budgegt issues I guess. My heart isn't broken because they do tend to put a a damper on things when they're out there. We ski during the week before work and don't always have an observer and believe it or not they have showed up at 7:00 am to scold us. Glad to see they will be gone doing more important things with my money.

Perfect case of an accident about to happen. There are people that wish they were doing more important things too, and if you were following the laws on the water they possibly could be.

I dont think they can eliminate the Marine Patrol in a County that has the second amount of inland lakes in the country....scale back? Maybe, but it's not a good idea.
 

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QUOTE(Stodge @ Jul 14 2009, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wouldn't the DNR take over?

The DNR has NO MONEY. They have been decimated by Granholm's cuts. The monies that have been raised by the sale of permits and licenses were dumped into the General Fund without consent of the very people that generated those funds.

There are VERY few CO's to begin with.
 

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QUOTE(Mini @ Jul 14 2009, 08:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Stodge @ Jul 14 2009, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Wouldn't the DNR take over?

The DNR has NO MONEY. They have been decimated by Granholm's cuts. The monies that have been raised by the sale of permits and licenses were dumped into the General Fund without consent of the very people that generated those funds.

There are VERY few CO's to begin with.


Exactly the DNR is not the police. They have way too much to do, with way too little money and personnel to be doing someone else's job. Perhaps if some boaters learned to police themselves to a reasonable extent... ah never mind, never happen
 

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QUOTE(Mini @ Jul 14 2009, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 13 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We live on one of the Oakland County lakes that has a Sheriffs boat parked in front of a residents home and yep, their done after this year, budgegt issues I guess. My heart isn't broken because they do tend to put a a damper on things when they're out there. We ski during the week before work and don't always have an observer and believe it or not they have showed up at 7:00 am to scold us. Glad to see they will be gone doing more important things with my money.

Perfect case of an accident about to happen. There are people that wish they were doing more important things too, and if you were following the laws on the water they possibly could be.

I dont think they can eliminate the Marine Patrol in a County that has the second amount of inland lakes in the country....scale back? Maybe, but it's not a good idea.


Accident waiting to happen??? Plz explain the law in regards to ski observer.
Hint, the law is vague depending on your level of professional ski tournament driving....
Also, they aren't eliminating the sheriff's patrol entirely just the boats that were permanently docked on most inland lakes.
 

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QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 14 2009, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Mini @ Jul 14 2009, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 13 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>We live on one of the Oakland County lakes that has a Sheriffs boat parked in front of a residents home and yep, their done after this year, budgegt issues I guess. My heart isn't broken because they do tend to put a a damper on things when they're out there. We ski during the week before work and don't always have an observer and believe it or not they have showed up at 7:00 am to scold us. Glad to see they will be gone doing more important things with my money.

Perfect case of an accident about to happen. There are people that wish they were doing more important things too, and if you were following the laws on the water they possibly could be.

I dont think they can eliminate the Marine Patrol in a County that has the second amount of inland lakes in the country....scale back? Maybe, but it's not a good idea.


Accident waiting to happen??? Plz explain the law in regards to ski observer.
Hint, the law is vague depending on your level of professional ski tournament driving....
Also, they aren't eliminating the sheriff's patrol entirely just the boats that were permanently docked on most inland lakes.


Towing a Person With a Vessel Legally
In addition to adhering to laws as they apply to all vessels, boat and PWC operators towing a person(s) on water skis, a surfboard, or a similar device must obey these laws.

[*]Every vessel towing a person(s) on water skis, a surfboard, or a similar device must have a person, in addition to the vessel operator, observing the towed person(s) at all times
[*]It is illegal to tow persons on water skis, surfboards, or any device of this type between:
  • One hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise if towed behind a boat
  • One hour before sunset and 8:00 a.m. if towed behind a PWC
  • Persons being towed must stay at least 100 feet away from:
    • A shoreline (if operating in water less than three feet deep)
    • Any moored or anchored vessel
    • A dock or raft
    • Any marked swimming area or person(s) in the water
    • Those being towed behind a PWC must wear a U.S. Coast Guard-approved Type I, II, or III PFD. Inflatable PFDs may not be used.
 

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OK, Its obvious you don't know the law regarding professional or retired professional tournament qualified drivers and haven't really spent much time on inland lakes. If you are training for or qualifying for a particular water ski event and have a license or certification to pull proffessionaly then you can get a pass on the observer depending on the circumstances, like I said it is vague. My Dad was the head of Oakland County Sheriffs Marine division from 1972 - 1985 and trust me he knew the loop holes. I have been doing this for 30 + years and am probably one of the most safe and aware boaters out there. I have been battleing the fishermen for years wanting the nice calm waters of the evenings and early mornings, the rules for sunrise and sunsets are just plain senseless. Just my 2 cents, lifes good in America!
 

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QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 14 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OK, Its obvious you don't know the law regarding professional or retired professional tournament qualified drivers and haven't really spent much time on inland lakes. If you are training for or qualifying for a particular water ski event and have a license or certification to pull proffessionaly then you can get a pass on the observer depending on the circumstances, like I said it is vague. My Dad was the head of Oakland County Sheriffs Marine division from 1972 - 1985 and trust me he knew the loop holes. I have been doing this for 30 + years and am probably one of the most safe and aware boaters out there. I have been battleing the fishermen for years wanting the nice calm waters of the evenings and early mornings, the rules for sunrise and sunsets are just plain senseless. Just my 2 cents, lifes good in America!

Well show me a source. If you father was the Director of the Marine Division I think that was your pass more than any law. It is clearly stated that you MUST have an observer, PERIOD. If you can find a law that excludes a card carrying member of the Professional Ski Boat Drivers Association, then post it.

If I am a professional fisherman that does not give me the right to break fishing laws.

The rules are there for a reason as most home owners that purchase property on a lake dont want the sound of a V8 with no muffler running in the early and late hours (not to mention the lack of visibility). You may be a very talented driver *insert cheesy Rain Man quote*, but once again it does not put you above the law. But your daddy's badge did (it wont any longer).
 

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QUOTE(Mini @ Jul 15 2009, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 14 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OK, Its obvious you don't know the law regarding professional or retired professional tournament qualified drivers and haven't really spent much time on inland lakes. If you are training for or qualifying for a particular water ski event and have a license or certification to pull proffessionaly then you can get a pass on the observer depending on the circumstances, like I said it is vague. My Dad was the head of Oakland County Sheriffs Marine division from 1972 - 1985 and trust me he knew the loop holes. I have been doing this for 30 + years and am probably one of the most safe and aware boaters out there. I have been battleing the fishermen for years wanting the nice calm waters of the evenings and early mornings, the rules for sunrise and sunsets are just plain senseless. Just my 2 cents, lifes good in America!

Well show me a source. If you father was the Director of the Marine Division I think that was your pass more than any law. It is clearly stated that you MUST have an observer, PERIOD. If you can find a law that excludes a card carrying member of the Professional Ski Boat Drivers Association, then post it.

If I am a professional fisherman that does not give me the right to break fishing laws.

The rules are there for a reason as most home owners that purchase property on a lake dont want the sound of a V8 with no muffler running in the early and late hours (not to mention the lack of visibility). You may be a very talented driver *insert cheesy Rain Man quote*, but once again it does not put you above the law. But your daddy's badge did (it wont any longer).


The Dad connection did help.
There are mufflers on ski boats, in fact they're very quiet.
Visibility is fine one hour before and after sunset, you know that.
Several people on our lake meet in the mornings before work to ski and set up/take down the ski course, never a complaint by other residence, in 30 + years.
Daddys badge is still recognized by the older cops.
In the 30 + years I have lived and ski there not one incident related to any perceived violations, its kind of an unwritten law like 5 over the speed limit is acceptable except for the militant rookies or just plain idiot type law enforcement guys.
If you live on a lake you learn to expect boat noise, that's just how it is.
 

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QUOTE(Mini @ Jul 15 2009, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 14 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OK, Its obvious you don't know the law regarding professional or retired professional tournament qualified drivers and haven't really spent much time on inland lakes. If you are training for or qualifying for a particular water ski event and have a license or certification to pull proffessionaly then you can get a pass on the observer depending on the circumstances, like I said it is vague. My Dad was the head of Oakland County Sheriffs Marine division from 1972 - 1985 and trust me he knew the loop holes. I have been doing this for 30 + years and am probably one of the most safe and aware boaters out there. I have been battleing the fishermen for years wanting the nice calm waters of the evenings and early mornings, the rules for sunrise and sunsets are just plain senseless. Just my 2 cents, lifes good in America!

Well show me a source. If you father was the Director of the Marine Division I think that was your pass more than any law. It is clearly stated that you MUST have an observer, PERIOD. If you can find a law that excludes a card carrying member of the Professional Ski Boat Drivers Association, then post it.

If I am a professional fisherman that does not give me the right to break fishing laws.

The rules are there for a reason as most home owners that purchase property on a lake dont want the sound of a V8 with no muffler running in the early and late hours (not to mention the lack of visibility). You may be a very talented driver *insert cheesy Rain Man quote*, but once again it does not put you above the law. But your daddy's badge did (it wont any longer).


I was going to respond Mini, but I had to wait for yours!!

I find it hard to believe, well laughable actually, that a professional skiing certificate would supersede STATE LAW.
 

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QUOTE(Pornodave @ Jul 15 2009, 08:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Mini @ Jul 15 2009, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Rocco @ Jul 14 2009, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>OK, Its obvious you don't know the law regarding professional or retired professional tournament qualified drivers and haven't really spent much time on inland lakes. If you are training for or qualifying for a particular water ski event and have a license or certification to pull proffessionaly then you can get a pass on the observer depending on the circumstances, like I said it is vague. My Dad was the head of Oakland County Sheriffs Marine division from 1972 - 1985 and trust me he knew the loop holes. I have been doing this for 30 + years and am probably one of the most safe and aware boaters out there. I have been battleing the fishermen for years wanting the nice calm waters of the evenings and early mornings, the rules for sunrise and sunsets are just plain senseless. Just my 2 cents, lifes good in America!

Well show me a source. If you father was the Director of the Marine Division I think that was your pass more than any law. It is clearly stated that you MUST have an observer, PERIOD. If you can find a law that excludes a card carrying member of the Professional Ski Boat Drivers Association, then post it.

If I am a professional fisherman that does not give me the right to break fishing laws.

The rules are there for a reason as most home owners that purchase property on a lake dont want the sound of a V8 with no muffler running in the early and late hours (not to mention the lack of visibility). You may be a very talented driver *insert cheesy Rain Man quote*, but once again it does not put you above the law. But your daddy's badge did (it wont any longer).


I was going to respond Mini, but I had to wait for yours!!

I find it hard to believe, well laughable actually, that a professional skiing certificate would supersede STATE LAW.



Same here, I'm glad he cleared it all up with his Daddy and 5 mile an hour over freeby
 
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