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Raft is defined as "any group of two or more boats which are stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond and which are congregated together, whether anchored, secured to one another, or adrift, provided that at least one of the boats in the group is occupied." Rafting is "forming or being a member of a raft."

There are designated locations where, and times during which, the size of rafts is limited and a minimum distance is required between boats and rafts.
Currently, there are rafting restrictions in certain locations on Lake Winnipesaukee, Lake Sunapee, and Ossipee Lake.
No one in a prohibited location or at a prohibited time may:
Form or allow a boat, which you are operating or in charge of, to join a raft consisting of three or more boats.
Form or allow a boat, which you are operating or in charge of, to join a raft if any part of such raft is less than 50 feet from any other raft or less than 50 feet from any occupied single boat that is stationary on the waters of the same lake or pond.
Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary on the waters of a lake or pond, other than momentarily, if any part of such boat is less than 50 feet away from any raft or less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary on the waters of such lake or pond.
 

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Lake Sunapee is located within Sullivan County and Merrimack County in western New Hampshire, the United States. It is the fifth-largest lake located entirely in New Hampshire.

The lake is approximately 8.1 miles (13.0 km) long (north-south) and from 0.5 to 2.5 miles (4.0 km) wide (east-west), covering 6.5 square miles (4,136 acres)[1], with a maximum depth of 142 feet (43 m).

Lake St. Clair (French: Lac Sainte-Claire) is a lake that lies between Ontario, Canada and Michigan, United States, located about 6 miles (9.7 km) northeast of Detroit and Windsor, Ontario. Approximately 430 square miles (1,100 km2) in area.

The lake is 26 miles (42 km) from north to south and 24 miles (39 km) from east to west. It is a very shallow lake with an average depth of about 11 feet (3.4 m), and a maximum natural depth of 21.3 feet (6.5 m), although it is 27 feet (8.2 m) deep in the navigation channel which has been dredged for freighter passage.

I think LSC is safe. Lake Orion, Cass Lake and the others in Oakland county might be on the list though.
 

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Ok, what about lake Norman??

Lake Norman Rafting Ordinance
The new rafting ordinance passed by the Lake Norman Marine Commission on 7-12-04.

The ordinance is as follows, as written and distributed by the Lake Norman Marine Commission:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE

These regulations may be cited as the Rafting Safety Regulations.

SECTION 2. JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES

These regulations shall be applicable on the waters of Lake Norman, the Boundaries of which are described in Chapter 1089, House Bill 1324 of The Sessions Laws of 1969 of the State of North Carolina.

SECTION 3. DEFINITIONS

As used in these regulations, unless the context clearly requires a different meaning:

"Commission means the Lake Norman Marine Commission.
"Rafting? means the anchoring, tying, fastening, linking, or joining of any combination of three (3) or more vessels together.
"Vessel? means every description of watercraft or structure used or capable of being used as a means of transportation or habitation on the water..
"Shoreline? means the full pond contour as defined by 760ft elevation.

SECTION 4. REGULATIONS FOR RAFTING:

Rafting of three (3) to ten (10) vessels must be conducted at least 100 yards from the shoreline. These groups of vessels must be at least 200 yards apart from any other [vessel] or group of vessels tied or attached together. Rafting of eleven (11) or more vessels will only be allowed at a distance of 300 yards or greater from the shoreline.

Within 100 yards of the shoreline, one (1) or two (2) vessels can be tied or anchored but must be at least 50 yards from any other vessel or group of vessels tied or anchored to each other.

The Commission may place "NO RAFTING - Maximum fine - $500? signs in areas where rafting is prohibited by this Ordinance.

Special Events Permits may be issued by the Commission upon application that will allow rafting in areas where rafting is otherwise prohibited by this Ordinance. Approval will be based on assurances by the Applicant(s) that all reasonable care will be taken to ensure that nearby residents or boaters will not be bothered by undue noise or poor behavior and that any islands used will be policed and cleaned up after the Event. Future Applications may be denied if serious complaints result or if Law Enforcement becomes involved. A $100 Application Fee will be required. Applications must be received in writing at least 60 days before the requested Event.

SECTION 5. VIOLATIONS

Any person found in violation of these regulations shall be guilty of a Class 3 Misdemeanor and shall be subject to a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500) for each such violations.

SECTION 6. ENFORCEMENT

Law enforcement officials shall enforce these regulations.

SECTION 7. EFFECTIVE DATES

These regulations shall take effect on August 1, 2004 and supercedes the "Rafting Safety Ordinance? dated May 1, 2000.
 

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There's a rather large lake out west where some big landowner (power company I think) convinced the legislature to ban most of the boats outright so that they could sell the land for some condo developement.

There are ways that we can get screwed. We have to stay on our toes about pending legislation and be sure to tell our lawmakers how we really feel about it. If our representatives are representing us, we're safe. If not, we need to pay attention and vote their asses out of office, and get some boaters in there.
 

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QUOTE(Jager Dave @ Aug 21 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Ok, what about lake Norman??

Lake Norman Rafting Ordinance
The new rafting ordinance passed by the Lake Norman Marine Commission on 7-12-04.

The ordinance is as follows, as written and distributed by the Lake Norman Marine Commission:

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE

These regulations may be cited as the Rafting Safety Regulations.

SECTION 2. JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES

These regulations shall be applicable on the waters of Lake Norman, the Boundaries of which are described in Chapter 1089, House Bill 1324 of The Sessions Laws of 1969 of the State of North Carolina.

SECTION 3. DEFINITIONS

As used in these regulations, unless the context clearly requires a different meaning:

"Commission means the Lake Norman Marine Commission.
"Rafting? means the anchoring, tying, fastening, linking, or joining of any combination of three (3) or more vessels together.
"Vessel? means every description of watercraft or structure used or capable of being used as a means of transportation or habitation on the water..
"Shoreline? means the full pond contour as defined by 760ft elevation.

SECTION 4. REGULATIONS FOR RAFTING:

Rafting of three (3) to ten (10) vessels must be conducted at least 100 yards from the shoreline. These groups of vessels must be at least 200 yards apart from any other [vessel] or group of vessels tied or attached together. Rafting of eleven (11) or more vessels will only be allowed at a distance of 300 yards or greater from the shoreline.

Within 100 yards of the shoreline, one (1) or two (2) vessels can be tied or anchored but must be at least 50 yards from any other vessel or group of vessels tied or anchored to each other.

The Commission may place "NO RAFTING - Maximum fine - $500? signs in areas where rafting is prohibited by this Ordinance.

Special Events Permits may be issued by the Commission upon application that will allow rafting in areas where rafting is otherwise prohibited by this Ordinance. Approval will be based on assurances by the Applicant(s) that all reasonable care will be taken to ensure that nearby residents or boaters will not be bothered by undue noise or poor behavior and that any islands used will be policed and cleaned up after the Event. Future Applications may be denied if serious complaints result or if Law Enforcement becomes involved. A $100 Application Fee will be required. Applications must be received in writing at least 60 days before the requested Event.

SECTION 5. VIOLATIONS

Any person found in violation of these regulations shall be guilty of a Class 3 Misdemeanor and shall be subject to a fine not to exceed five hundred dollars ($500) for each such violations.

SECTION 6. ENFORCEMENT

Law enforcement officials shall enforce these regulations.

SECTION 7. EFFECTIVE DATES

These regulations shall take effect on August 1, 2004 and supercedes the "Rafting Safety Ordinance? dated May 1, 2000.
It needs that law. It's just an oversized puddle at 50 sq miles. LSC is 8 times it's size.
 

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QUOTE(Jager Dave @ Aug 21 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>SECTION 7. EFFECTIVE DATES

These regulations shall take effect on August 1, 2004 and supercedes the "Rafting Safety Ordinance? dated May 1, 2000.

This is really old, and I have seen it on other forums.... I wouldn't get too wound up about it...
 

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QUOTE(garry454 @ Aug 21 2009, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Jager Dave @ Aug 21 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>SECTION 7. EFFECTIVE DATES

These regulations shall take effect on August 1, 2004 and supercedes the "Rafting Safety Ordinance? dated May 1, 2000.

This is really old, and I have seen it on other forums.... I wouldn't get too wound up about it...


dave's all about stirring the pot...... don't feed the trolls.....
 

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All i know is that every guy i see with brass knuckles on... im going to hand him a football, & a water cannon, & a bottle of beer...

If by some rare chain of events, the football & water cannon dont cause a fight, they can just dispose of the bottle on the bottom of the lake, but chances are, the fight will happen, & the bottle should work well in the fight, as a nice 1-2 combination with the brass knuckles.... Now thats boating!
 

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QUOTE(Jager Dave @ Aug 21 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Goose brought up a good point. LSC falls under so many different jurisdictions, it would be tough to have rafting banned everywhere.

Lake Norman has many different jurisdictions too. At least 2 counties (maybe 3) and a ton of cities. From what I am told from my coworkers on Lake Norman, you can still raft but not in the area where they held the yearly raft up.

And it was brought on by the lake owners on the East side of the lake (VERY ritzy neighborhood, people with influence and big $$) who were sick of the music close to their houses. Like Stodge said - Lake Norman is not LSC, it is a damned up river. You are almost never very far from shore there.

I do agree with what Goose (thru JD) said though, but because we are not an inland lake - not because of the amount of jurisdictions.
 

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I know its old and I wasn't stirring any pot. The reason I brought it up was related to the recent incident. My thought is that if this starts becoming frequent, lawmakers may suggest such a solution. I didn't give any thought to the multitude of jurisdictions out there.
 

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QUOTE(Jager Dave @ Aug 21 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I know its old and I wasn't stirring any pot. The reason I brought it up was related to the recent incident. My thought is that if this starts becoming frequent, lawmakers may suggest such a solution. I didn't give any thought to the multitude of jurisdictions out there.

Yep, that was my first thought too. Hopefully that "incident" will be the last of it's kind....at least of that
magnitude. I do think however that there will definitely now be more patrols on the water as the budget allows.
I could be wrong and I hope this opinion doesn't start a controversy
 

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QUOTE(LakeNewbie @ Aug 21 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Jager Dave @ Aug 21 2009, 04:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I know its old and I wasn't stirring any pot. The reason I brought it up was related to the recent incident. My thought is that if this starts becoming frequent, lawmakers may suggest such a solution. I didn't give any thought to the multitude of jurisdictions out there.

Yep, that was my first thought too. Hopefully that "incident" will be the last of it's kind....at least of that
magnitude.


Unfortunatly it will not be. Three years ago there was one worse, with a few from our group involved, so I dont think it will be the last.

Hopefully they will be few and far between and we have seen the last for a loooong time!!
 

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just three years ago ?? wow...I don't think I heard anything about it and I don't want to open a can of worms now by ...Im just saying...we didn't hear about it. maybe better that way ? who knows ?
 

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QUOTE(LakeNewbie @ Aug 21 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just three years ago ?? wow...I don't think I heard anything about it and I don't want to open a can of worms now by ...Im just saying...we didn't hear about it. maybe better that way ? who knows ?

I dont remember it getting much "air time". And I'm certainly not going to get into details,,


Point is - it is nothing new and will happen again.

We just need to keep having a good time and watch out for eachother!!!
 

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QUOTE(Pornodave @ Aug 21 2009, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(LakeNewbie @ Aug 21 2009, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>just three years ago ?? wow...I don't think I heard anything about it and I don't want to open a can of worms now by ...Im just saying...we didn't hear about it. maybe better that way ? who knows ?

I dont remember it getting much "air time". And I'm certainly not going to get into details,,


Point is - it is nothing new and will happen again.

We just need to keep having a good time and watch out for eachother!!!



totally agree and no...I didn't want any details..just surprised it happened.
I don't visit the site across the pond so I probably missed it.
 
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