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Yesterday about 8.30pm while exiting metro with my 14 yr old at the helm I noticed an opportunity to teach my daughter common courtesy while passing a sailboat. It is a lesson she will not forget any time soon, but I hope by posting this others will learn as well as myself. I was told by someone who sails (something I have never had the opportunity to do) that when exiting a channel into a lake, you should wait until the sailboat has hoisted a sail and got some wind on it. I was told this gives the vessel stability.(help me out here sailors) By passing the vessel with out a sail up making a wake, the passengers and the boat get rocked violently. We were still in the no wake zone observing the sailboat and other boats ahead of us. I explained to my daughter that we should would wait until we were far enough away from the sailboat before creating a wake was just common courtesy, Just then a 35+ foot powerboat goes on plane passes the 20-25 foot sail boat and made a huge wake, the caption had to make a immediate 90% turn into the wake and the passengers still got hammered. Now his sailboat is sideways in the channel. This pissed off the next powerboat behind him. I guess it was because he had to shift into neutral. The sailboat lost its power from the wake of the first powerboat. (An outboard motor) The captain quickly goes to the motor and attempts to start it. The second power boat-a very large cruiser yells something and passes the sail boat under full power
Almost capsizing the sailboat. The wake came directly over the sides of the boat into the passenger area. Yes, i am saying the wake came over the sides of the boat and got all the passengers wet. My daughter I was shocked. I took the helm of my boat and got close (he kind of freaked out) to the sailboat and offered the caption help. He was still attempting to start his engine and told me he thought he would be ok. I informed him that I was going to block the channel from two other large cruisers coming in on plane to give him some relief from the wake. All of this happened before the first green buoy. The incoming boats probably got pissed but the caption and his passengers were ever so grateful. He got his boat started and went on his way. Now maybe this was a inexperienced sailor putting himself and his passengers in harms way, but if folks in powerboats cannot wait a extra minuet or two to go up on plane to be courteous to others-stealing a line from gomer pyle-shame shame shame
 

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Sounds good, but good luck getting some of the powerboats to be that courteous...Just a fact....
 

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Way to go 3crabs! You absolutley did the right thing. Too bad for the bloeboat, good thing that you intervened!

All it takes is to have the Sherriff get in an unmarked boat and lie in wait just off of Metro or the Clinton River and start busting those bastages! It's not going to stop unless the laws are enforced! It's NOT boater ignorance, they KNOW that they can get away with it because no one is going to stop them!
 

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You are a good Man!


Obviously these are people that haven't taken a Power Squadron Course yet......! <_<

BTW

Mt Clemens Power Squadron link

AND

St. Clair Shores Power Squadron link

offer classes throughout the year!

Take them now, before you get mandated to!
 

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Good job 3crabs!
 

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QUOTE(garydebs @ Aug 2 2004, 05:49 PM)You are a good Man!


Obviously these are people that haven't taken a Power Squadron Course yet......!


BTW

Mt Clemens Power Squadron link

AND

St. Clair Shores Power Squadron link

offer classes throughout the year!

Take them now, before you get mandated to!
Gary, I know that you don't have a boat, so your lake time is minimal. But I do and those types don't give a rats a$$ about what ever kind of squadron, or auxiliary training thing that's around. It's not required because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn on your own what the rules are when you are out on the water. In 1st grade I learned enuf to know what "NO WAKE" means!

It's the same way on the road. People with fancy cars feel that their entitled to speeding, cutting other cars off, and have that "it's all about me" attitude. You see that on the water, too. Just like 3crabs and his kid did.
 

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Between that and the yellow jet ski's...what a day, huh?

I am realizing it's really hard to catch a MC number when someone is flying by you at 40 + mph <_<

Also, there is a story in cruising/power forum HERE....

Rude, inconsiderate people suck gorilla nutz


p.s. Hon, You have spell-check
 

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3crabs, I commend you for your actions. Sun. the lake was very crowded and the # of real a--holes out there increases proportionetly. Years ago I had a 25ft. sailboat with a transom mounted outboard. Knowing what I know now I would not have attempted to go out from Metro last Sun in my old boat because of the conditions you discribed. I believe most sailors cought in those conditions would not attempt to raise there sails until they were clear of the channel. Just my 2 cents. I moved my sailboat to the Fair Haven area to avoid the traffic at Metro and the Clinton River channel on weekends.
 

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There are soo many idiots out there! I think it is great that you are teaching your children the correct way to boat! It really makes a difference, especially in the future!
Did you get the name on the bad boat or any info?
 

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Thanks for posting this. Hopefully it will help out those that do not know.
 

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QUOTE(MONEYSHOT @ Aug 3 2004, 09:32 AM)Did you get the name on the bad boat or any info?
no names on the back of either boat. second boat was a older chris craft cruiser with redish stripes. my eyes were on the passengers of the sailboat. remembering what I saw is still unbeliveable.
 

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I asked a sailboater what bothers them the most. Number one is power boaters passing closely in front so they have to bang thru the wake and thinking they have to buzz close by the sailboat when passing.
 

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It does become difficult at times to maneuver a 23 foot sailboat with a 7.5 hp Merc O/B in and out of the channels on the weekends.

Living in Huron Pointe - I use the Black Creek to gain access to the Lake. Sunday it was particularly busy in and out of the channel.

There were Fountains (not picking on anyone) and other big cruisers cutting the channel (leaving before the end of the channel). Several boats getting up on a plane 2 to 3 bouys from the end of the channel - and boats 2-3 even 4 wide entering and leaving the channel.

I often sail with my grandkids aboard, and this past weekend had my elderly in-laws aboard (ALL with PFD's). As others noted - your conduct on the lake is educational to others - good or bad. It is sometimes a challenge to try to explain other's bad habits and poor boating etiquette to non-boaters.

Even out sailing (with full sails in the air) it is not uncommon to get "waked" by a powerboat within 25 yards of the bow. Would it be that difficult to pass to the stern of the sailboat?

As stated before - education (in the form of PowerSquadron or CG classes) would help - but it is those very folks who distain or dismiss training or education that are often the problem....

But also there are many captains who are very courteous and kind towards us blow-boaters.

A question does lurk in my mind tho..... would sailboats be welcomed in the raft this weekend? Are there any committed? Or is this a stink-boat-only event
 

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yeah, it's getting to be a BIG problem. Them blow boats, I'll tell ya.......
I just love the ones that decide their going to go down the Clinton River with their sails up at 7:00 Sunday evening. Slowing up the whole river, People almost hitting each other to slow down or get around them...who do they think they are??


just joking guys, don't tar and feather me just yet.......
 

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We knowyou are just jealous cuz we got the blow boat. Quit whining. We will take you out for a nice calm MIDWEEK ride..................
 

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Don't get me going on "common courtesy", in the past few years I have come to the conclusion that 1 in 10 boaters even know what that word means, whether it be a large cruiser running half on plane throwing a 6ft roller next to an anchored boat or some go-fast blowing by 20ft off your side.
 

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odaysailor Posted on Aug 3 2004, 03:29 PM QUOTEA question does lurk in my mind tho..... would sailboats be welcomed in the raft this weekend? Are there any committed? Or is this a stink-boat-only event

ALL boats are welcome to join in this event...so long as it has registration numbers on it, it welcome. As a mater of fact there is going to be a bunch of sailboats going out to the "Raft Off"...they'll be closer to the light houses though because of the required draft


and sorry to hear about the inconsiderate a-holes you came across last Sunday...good job 3crabs
 
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