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Ok I have a question. There is a guy on craigslist that is spearing carp and then selling it for fertilizer or food or whatever. The question is, Is this illegal? I called and he said if you buy in mass quantities hes gives a discount. I believe selling of any wild game is illegal is this correct? Here is the link for the ad.

http://detroit.craigslist.org/boa/1219003837.html
 

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without a commercial license, its illegal, i did not see anywhere about mass quantity discounts thou, only he had $1 in the header, maybe its free and the $1 was just to get people's attention, give him a call
 

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I did call that how I found out about the mass quantities discount. I have now emailed the ad to the rap hotline over the internet. As soon as I hear something I will post it.
 

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QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

in michigan the only people who can sell caught fish other then live minnows are the indians and there right to do it is federal not state not sure how canada works
 

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QUOTE(troller11 @ Jun 13 2009, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

in michigan the only people who can sell caught fish other then live minnows are the indians and there right to do it is federal not state not sure how canada works


Yes, but like Tim stated as well......you can apply for a commercial fishing license, which gives you the right to harvest fish to then sell, to make a profit. I don't know technical specs on this...like spearing being a legal way to harvest commercially (doubt it), but those aren't all indians running those commercial boats out there (obviously). Being on land, and harvesting fish for commercial sale, that is the real question I guess.
 

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QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(troller11 @ Jun 13 2009, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

in michigan the only people who can sell caught fish other then live minnows are the indians and there right to do it is federal not state not sure how canada works


Yes, but like Tim stated as well......you can apply for a commercial fishing license, which gives you the right to harvest fish to then sell, to make a profit. I don't know technical specs on this...like spearing being a legal way to harvest commercially (doubt it), but those aren't all indians running those commercial boats out there (obviously). Being on land, and harvesting fish for commercial sale, that is the real question I guess.


they only use trap nets here and only tribal native americans can get a license we bought there netting boats and gave em casinos
 

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QUOTE(troller11 @ Jun 13 2009, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 05:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(troller11 @ Jun 13 2009, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

in michigan the only people who can sell caught fish other then live minnows are the indians and there right to do it is federal not state not sure how canada works


Yes, but like Tim stated as well......you can apply for a commercial fishing license, which gives you the right to harvest fish to then sell, to make a profit. I don't know technical specs on this...like spearing being a legal way to harvest commercially (doubt it), but those aren't all indians running those commercial boats out there (obviously). Being on land, and harvesting fish for commercial sale, that is the real question I guess.


they only use trap nets here and only tribal native americans can get a license we bought there netting boats and gave em casinos


Fair enough...I guess I'd have to look into that more to keep talking about this........I didn't know the indians owned everything in sight. We don't know where this dude speared the Carp....
 

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i was wrong in 2001 some small portions of the great lakes have been opened to state licensing heres page with info and link for the maps of huron and michigan

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-1...37209--,00.html
prior too 2001 was only native americans but its very small areas if you look at the maps compared to the indian areas it even says recent stated licensed on the web page and heres another link http://www.miseagrant.umich.edu/downloads/...h-marketing.pdf 45 state licenses and 5 tribes controlling almost 150 licenses
 

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Here's a good read from 2003 also...

2003 Commercial Harvest Stats

well, after reading some stuff, without finding any real answer......it looks like getting a license to harvest fish is possible, but probably not for carp. It looks like it's all about the gear you use to harvest the fish. Sportfishing methods used to harvest a fish looks like a serious restriction for this type of business. So, looks like you couuuuuuuuuuld harvest Carp, but you'd need to use a different way for harvesting them, leaving the spearing out.
 

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maybe the guy is an indian that is trying to sell these fish, or its just another scam on craigslist
 

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QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

Not correct. You can NOT sell any game.

From the MI DNR website.

Unlawful Activities



Possess or transport any live transgenic (genetically engineered) organisms or the following nonnative fish: bighead carp, black carp, large scale silver carp, silver carp, grass carp (white amur), members of the snakehead family (Channidae), bitterling, Ide, Japanese weatherfish, rudd, tench, Eurasian ruffe, tubenose goby, or round goby. To do so may result in civil fines up to $10,000.

Import, plant or transplant live game fish including viable eggs of any game fish without permit.

Buy or sell fish or parts of fish, reptiles, amphibians, or crayfish taken under a sport fishing license.

Take fish for the sole purpose of removing the eggs.

Take or attempt to take freshwater mussels (clams or other bivalves) whether living or dead, including the shell or parts thereof (except zebra mussels) from any waters of the state except under provisions of a cultural or scientific investigation permit from the DNR.

Take, attempt to take, or possess, any threatened or endangered species, except as authorized by the DNR. For more information, see http://web4.msue.msu.edu/mnfi/data/specialanimals.cfm.

Possess or sell a multi-pointed hook with a weight permanently attached.

Possess illegally taken fish or mutilated fish that cannot be measured or identified.

Possess more than the Michigan limit when fishing in Michigan waters even if holding licenses from more than one state or province.

Commercially take, possess, or sell rusty crayfish (Orconectes rusticus) in Michigan.

Commercially take amphibians or reptiles in Michigan. Disturb or remove reptile eggs from the wild without a permit.

Fish for any species or possess fishing devices along a stream closed to fishing.

Fish with your hands, firearms, explosives, crossbows, setlines, poisons, or methods other than lawful fishing methods.

Fish anywhere in a fish ladder or within 100 feet of a lamprey control weir.

Use a net to take a fish within 100 feet of a dam (you may use a landing net to secure a legally hooked fish).

Use a seine for any species other than minnows.

Use cast nets in any inland water.

Possess a spear, gaff, or bow/arrow along a trout stream at any time.

Shoot reptiles or amphibians with a firearm (including spring, air, or gas propelled).

Have a weight rigidly attached to a multi-pointed hook, or suspended from a multi-point hook.

Fish on a river, stream, or drowned river mouth (see Note 3) using a weight suspended below any hook unless the hook is on a dropper line (a leader) that is at least 3" long.

Deposit litter, fish offal, or any foreign matter, in any waters of the state or on any lands, private or public.

Take or attempt to take fish outside of the open season for that species.

Commercially harvest wigglers from any state waters from June 1 - Sept. 1.

Snag fish or retain a fish not hooked in the mouth. Possess largemouth or smallmouth bass during the catch and immediate release season, see p. 37.
 

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QUOTE(Contender @ Jun 15 2009, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

Not correct. You can NOT sell any game.


I'd love more details, if you have them....

Are you saying that someone can't ask the GOV for the license....don't a lot of restaurants buy from private sellers?

I see that list.....and I see it states you can't sell fish just because you have a Fishing License.........I'm not talking about Joe Blow with his Fishing card...
 

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QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 15 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Contender @ Jun 15 2009, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

Not correct. You can NOT sell any game.


I'd love more details, if you have them....

Are you saying that someone can't ask the GOV for the license....don't a lot of restaurants buy from private sellers?


Private sellers, can not sell to restaurants, either. The DNR busts black market fish selling all the time, in SE Michigan.

Must have a commercial fishing liscense, to sell fish (Perch, Walleye, whitefish). Its all in the book.

Any person with information about any suspicious and unlawful activity related to Michigan's natural resources is encouraged to contact the Report All Poaching hotline at (800) 292-7800. Information can be provided anonymously.
 

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QUOTE(Contender @ Jun 15 2009, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 15 2009, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Contender @ Jun 15 2009, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Large Mouth Peks @ Jun 13 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>It's only illegal if he does not have a business license for this product.

Not correct. You can NOT sell any game.


I'd love more details, if you have them....

Are you saying that someone can't ask the GOV for the license....don't a lot of restaurants buy from private sellers?


Private sellers, can not sell to restaurants, either. The DNR busts black market fish selling all the time, in SE Michigan.

Must have a commercial fishing liscense, to sell fish (Perch, Walleye, whitefish). Its all in the book.


I know that...later on from the post you quoted, I went into more detail with what I was trying to say. I should never have said Business License, I should have only said Commercial License.
 

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Ok, so I read that whole thing. I can't decipher the whole thing, cuz i'm no expert lol, but bascially, what the point is, is that the annual Commercial Harvest is pretty much 90% Tribal, and the remaining is givin' to Recreational Fisherman consumption (not sell/trade).

Am I getting close?
 

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O.k The C.O. contacted me today and he stated that he called the guy and now the guy says that they are free and the c.o. informed him to make sure he gives them away and doesn't take any money at all for them donations or otherwise. And he also told the guy if he wants to advertise them to take them out of the for sale section and put them in the free section of craigslist. He also told me it is illegal to sell freshwater fish here unless you have a commercial license and you must be selling to someone with a business license Or a restaurant (business ) license. Just thought you all would like to know.
 

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QUOTE(bowtiehater28 @ Jun 15 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>O.k The C.O. contacted me today and he stated that he called the guy and now the guy says that they are free and the c.o. informed him to make sure he gives them away and doesn't take any money at all for them donations or otherwise. And he also told the guy if he wants to advertise them to take them out of the for sale section and put them in the free section of craigslist. He also told me it is illegal to sell freshwater fish here unless you have a commercial license and you must be selling to someone with a business license Or a restaurant (business ) license. Just thought you all would like to know.


Sounds about right to me.....but to others, I guess your CO is wrong too. I doubt it.
 
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