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Hey, lets keep bashing the french f*gs.
They really disappointed me, and our whole country, lets not forgive and forget in this case ! They need to be taught a lesson in manners, courtesy, and judgement.

What all have they been doing lately ?

if they support us now, it is similar to giving bill gates a winning lotto ticket (like he needs it)
 
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my background, i am 70 french, 30 irish.
I take a little offense to that statement. We need to realize that they are entitled to do what they want, they are there own country, and a great country at that.
 

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Well, man gravy,
you are entitled to your opinion. but my opinion is, if you think france is such a great country. why are you here then??????
They really did some unforgivable things while we were at war. It was dispicable, and you should be ashamed of that country.
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And I will continue to Bash the French people and ban all their products.

The reason for this is #1 Chirac endangered the lives of our soldiers by telling Sadaam critical information about our army.

Secondly the were so stongly opposed to the war because they were making Billions of dollars off of Sadaam.

Finally the French Desecrated the tombstones and monuments of our forefathers who fought in WWI and risked their lives to free the French. Fact, if it were not for America your country would be speaking German.

But what takes the cake is that I hate Hypocrites and Chirac (which is the leader of the elected people so he speaks for the people) now trying to jump on the bandwagon in the rebuilding phase.

We are all entitled to our opionions and I will never in my life ever step foot, or give any of out American Dollars to the French people who have no respect for our Dead soldiers of D-day and our soldiers of today fighing for this Great country USA!!
 

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QUOTE(Fast~Eddie @ May 6 2003, 07:23 PM)Well, man gravy,
you are entitled to your opinion. but my opinion is, if you think france is such a great country. why are you here then??????
Great statement
 

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THE FRENCH WILL ALWAYS S*CK !
THEY ARE SISSY PEOPLE
 

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QUOTE(Mahn Grayvee @ May 6 2003, 07:03 PM)my background, i am 70 french, 30 irish.
I take a little offense to that statement. We need to realize that they are entitled to do what they want, they are there own country, and a great country at that.
Spellcheck: their not there.......

Did you not follow the news coverage on the war???? The French were supporting a country that attacked us! They supplied them with weapons and who knows what else. Maybe that is where Saddam is now!

I think what they have done is a big, fat slap in the face!

Were you born here or there?
 

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Well said anotherone,

They have every right to disagree and not to participate. But, like 3 crabs said, they given confidential info to Saddam & his cronies, and made a mockery outa the UN security council.

As much as I enjoy it, no more french wine, no french anything -- except french fries!!! They were invented in Belgium anyway!!!
 
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i was born in france, moved here when i was 11.
i am 44 now.
i am a us citizen. i have dual citizenship.
france has so many more nice landmarks. the culture is
more open, and more informed than the us culture.
we are more understanding to other countires needs and problems.
we don't just drop a bomb at conflict.
we discuss it, try to have a resolution. saddam was not as bad as he was made out to be on american television.
right now the iraqi's citizen's are in worse shape than they were before.
sorry, but i believe in my heart this to be true.
i do love the americans too ! very much, this country is close to my heart too.
just a little narrow minded.
 

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I have to agree with anotherone, eddie, and three crabs. I will never support ANYTHING french again. Throwing out my bfgoodrich and buying goodyears.
 
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QUOTE(damn yankee @ May 6 2003, 09:19 PM)Eddie,

I didn't know that you were born in France. Alot of thingsz make sense now...you're busted dude
Excuse me? please do not confuse me with that pompass a$$ fast eddie, i am my own man, and i believe you owe fast eddie and myself an apology.
I am sincere with my reply, and wonder why i am not being treated as other members. maybe i need to find another board.
 

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IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO BE A CITIZEN OF OUR COUNTRY...WE TRUST THAT OUR PRESIDENT MAKES DECISIONS THAT WILL KEEP US SAFE FROM TERRORISM......AMERICANS TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR COUNTRY.....WE MAY BE A YOUNG COUNTRY IN COMPARISON TO FRANCE.......BUT DO NOT LACK THE UNDERSTANDING OF OUR COUNTRIES NEEDS. AND PROBEMS...ESPECIALLY AFTER SEPTEMBER 11 TH....LETS JUST SEE HOW YOUR COUNTRY WOULD REACT TO BEING BOMBED...............WE MAY BE "GREEN".....but by no means stupid.....who is really going to sit down with the terrorists to discuss what will or will not occur next.......if this had HAPPENED IN FRANCE....I have a feeling they would "drop"" A BOMB TOO......
 

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QUOTE(Mahn Grayvee @ May 7 2003, 02:46 AM)QUOTE(damn yankee @ May 6 2003, 09:19 PM) Eddie,

I didn't know that you were born in France. Alot of thingsz make sense now...you're busted dude
Excuse me? please do not confuse me with that pompass a$$ fast eddie, i am my own man, and i believe you owe fast eddie and myself an apology.
I am sincere with my reply, and wonder why i am not being treated as other members. maybe i need to find another board.

Show some respect and maybe you will treated as others. Your words are harsh in this thread to most everyone (i am not speaking for others, but defending). One of our members has a son in Iraq and I support their effort over there. your statement that we the Americans are misinformed are CRAZY! You live here now.....watch our news. Us Americans are very open minded........I've become a minority in my own neighborhood and you don't here me crying.......get with the program.
 

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Dual Citizenship, bloody hell. I've run into that all over the world. Either get your azz all the way in or all the way out. One cannot serve two masters. Reaping the benefit on the greatest nation on earth (via a green card) but hedging by keeping French citizenship (dual). Stay here long enough to get benefits and then go back to the old country, bad mouthing the U.S.A. while raping the system. The French are a sorry lot, whiners and complainers. They claim they are the bastion of civilization but are unwilling to contribute to world peace or the world economy. They remind me of whores who insist that the rest of the world is immoral and lacking in social graces. Narrow minded, you say. Hell no Sir, we are kind and generous people. You just proved it.
 

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Most Americans feel it's better to be p!ssed off than to be p!ssed on... The French find being p!ssed on desirable... What more needs to be said about their culture?

France can lick my parts!
 

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QUOTE(Mahn Grayvee @ May 6 2003, 08:47 PM)i was born in france, moved here when i was 11.
i am 44 now.
i am a us citizen. i have dual citizenship.
france has so many more nice landmarks. the culture is
more open, and more informed than the us culture.
we are more understanding to other countires needs and problems.
we don't just drop a bomb at conflict.
we discuss it, try to have a resolution. saddam was not as bad as he was made out to be on american television.
right now the iraqi's citizen's are in worse shape than they were before.
sorry, but i believe in my heart this to be true.
i do love the americans too ! very much, this country is close to my heart too.
just a little narrow minded.
There are many nice landmarks all over the world. France wouldn't have any landmarks if it wasn't for our grandfathers fighting for them. That's right, my grandfather fought for YOUR freedom.
We are a "newer" country, but it's funny how everyone in the world want's our help.
Do you actually think that the USA just said "hey I think we'll just drop a bomb on Iraq tomorrow"?????? IT HAS BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE THIS CONFLICT STARTED. HOW MUCH LONGER WERE WE SUPPOSED TO GIVE THE DICTATOR WHO KEPT DEFYING THE UN??? HOW MANY YEARS WENT BY WITH NO INSPECTIONS???????

Are Iraqi's really in worse shape than before?? It has been a few weeks since the war ended...it takes time to rebuild...
and in the past we wouln't even know what shape the people were in because they didn't have FREEDOM OF SPEECH, they would get shot before they were allowed to say anything.
 

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A wise Pole once said

F#ck the French!
F#ck the French!
F#ck the French!
F#ck the French!
F#ck the French!
F#ck the French!
F#ck the French!

Pole=Polish man. I am forbidden to use the word Pollock ever again.
 

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QUOTE(Mahn Grayvee @ May 7 2003, 02:46 AM)QUOTE(damn yankee @ May 6 2003, 09:19 PM) Eddie,

I didn't know that you were born in France. Alot of thingsz make sense now...you're busted dude
Excuse me? please do not confuse me with that pompass a$$ fast eddie, i am my own man, and i believe you owe fast eddie and myself an apology.
I am sincere with my reply, and wonder why i am not being treated as other members. maybe i need to find another board.

Maybe a new board would be a better place for you. My last name is derived from a french word. I am half french on my fathers side, half Greek on mom's side, 100% born and raised American. My Dad fought and was wounded to free the french from the Germans. I am sure he would be cussing the french now were he alive. Narrow minded are we? Don't let the door hit you on the a$$ on your way to a new board.
 

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QUOTE(Mahn Grayvee @ May 6 2003, 08:47 PM)i was born in france, moved here when i was 11.
i am 44 now.
i am a us citizen. i have dual citizenship.
france has so many more nice landmarks. the culture is
more open, and more informed than the us culture.
we are more understanding to other countires needs and problems.
we don't just drop a bomb at conflict.
we discuss it, try to have a resolution. saddam was not as bad as he was made out to be on american television.
right now the iraqi's citizen's are in worse shape than they were before.
sorry, but i believe in my heart this to be true.
i do love the americans too ! very much, this country is close to my heart too.
just a little narrow minded.

Interesting comments ManGrayvee and please don't take this personally; <_<

---- biting my tongue----

No offense but where have you been for the last 12 years?
"we don't just drop a bomb at conflict."
No kidding. The UN has many departments like the WHO that are not just lip serivce but as far as the (in)Security Council is concerned, just look at it's members. It should be easy to see why they have been ineffectual. You may wany to keep yourself "informed" by reading the following included articles to see why the French, among others, have been... how you say... recalcitrant?

It is also enlightening to read all of the UN resolutions on Iraq from the close of the Gulf War. A good place to start is here::: (UN Resolution 1441 PDF) . Pay special attention to all of the resolutions preceeding it.
"Enough time"
That the press even reports this phrase sickens me and its continued citation is an insult to all thinking life forms on this planet, whether they realize it or not.

How much time, exactly, do you think is enough from the intial UN Security Council Resolution 687 in April 1991? 100 years? Time until major cities start going up in mushrooms clouds? Time until your neighborhood is crop dusted with VX gas?

Do you recall the weapons inspectors being expelled BY IRAQ (actually more than once) in 1998 when there were plenty of verifiable WMD materials present including massive quantities of anthrax and VX? Wasn't that enough time?

Interested parties can find plenty of credible sources on the web documenting the Iraqi WMD status. For your perusal here is the British Government's report straigt from 10 Downing here.

Do (you) recall the bait and switch the Iraqi regime played throughout the ENTIRE UNSCOM period as well as subsequent, post 1998 weaspons inspections via UNMOVIC?

Consider the situation of the pilots who have been patrolling the no fly zone patrols for over 10 years. They have been targeted and fired upon incessantly since the close of the Gulf War. It's AMAZING how convenient it has been for people to overlook this and the fact that SH's own blood testified to the nature of the development of nuclear and other WMD.

Give me a good argument, please. All these d#$m peacniks (more power to 'em) have not proposed ONE SALIENT POINT other than the typical, short sighted and and facile "no war for oil" BS rhetoric. Furthermore their pathetic use of one sided, incredibly biased imagery -as in last week's Metro Times photo essay - is practical anathema to a free and neutral press.

It is my hope that most people are smart enough to see past such disingenuous tactics. Of course, for people that can only handle one concept at a a time, much less the complexities and multinational politics and commerce what can you expect?

In closing, these are not simple times and for sure these are not the kind of issues one can easily wrestle with no matter how well informed one might be. You can only do your best to try and form your opinions around sound arguments based on facts and not the sit-com rablings of a spineless press.

---Big Daddy

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Bush administration plans to expose close relations between Chirac and Saddam and their families as revealed in secret Iraqi intelligence archives uncovered in Baghdad.

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Washington Targets Chirac and ElBaradai

From DEBKA-Net-Weekly May 2 Updated by DEBKAfile

May 7, 2003, 1:08 AM (GMT+02:00)

The Americans are sitting tight on the extremely valuable Iraqi intelligence archives discovered at Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Baghdad and at sub-departments of Saddam's clandestine machine never before known to exist. The only data released are a few leaks to the British media calculated to help prime minister Tony Blair stand up to anti-war campaigners at home and around Europe.

From this treasure trove, America has distributed to its war allies some materials relevant to their national security. But no decision has been taken as to the disposition of documents attesting to the clandestine ties of collaboration maintained with the Saddam regime by a whole range of foreign government and public office-holders, academics, media figures, financiers and industrialists the world over, many deeply involved in sanctions-busting. By and large, Washington is not inclined to bare these secrets or make use of them at the moment, except in some notable cases. One is French president Jacques Chirac; another is the head of the International Atomic Energy Commission in Vienna, Dr. Mohammed ElBaradai, who led the nuclear weapons inspection in Iraq before the war.

In addition, the administration has secretly handed over to various Middle East and Persian Gulf governments the names of ministers and public figures who were handsomely rewarded by Saddam Hussein for supporting his case in deliberations at the United Nations, other international bodies and inter-Arab forums. Washington was given to understand that these public officials would be held to account by their governments. This process has started quietly in Qatar and Jordan, where our intelligence sources expect overnight resignations of senior cabinet members.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly has been reliably informed that the nature of the relationships the French president and members of his family wove with Saddam Hussein and members of his regime is due to be revealed quite soon, drawing on the materials in the secret Iraqi files. Some sources say that the ties linking the two families were deep and ramified. Their exposure is likely to raise a storm.

As for Dr. ElBaradai, our sources report that, even before the Iraqi archives were examined, Washington had compiled a dossier on the chief nuclear inspector from discoveries made in the course of crises over the North Korean and Iranian nuclear weapons programs.

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Sources:
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DebkaFile

EDIT : FOOTNOTE

You may also want to check this article in the NY Times from this morning: U.S. troops unearthed maps featuring terror strikes against Israel dating back to 1991.
 
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