[Togic]

A good friend forwarded this article to me. When you hear so much of the opposite viewpoint on the news, it fires me up to see that not everybody thinks like Leslie Stahl and Dan Rather....

(Panama City, Florida) News Herald Editorial

 

[dno]

I wouldn't even line my bird cage with that hate mongering right wing rag of a paper. Sounds like whoever wrote that just got back from a klan rally!

 

[555]

In my opinion the author speaks the truth. Liberals are frightened byt he truth. Examples below.

21 Steps to Become a Democrat -- just in case you didn't know, virtually anyone can be a Democrat. Just simply quit thinking (about it) and vote that way. If you want to be a GOOD Democrat, however, there are some prerequisites you must have first. Compare the below and see how you rate...

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about
sex.

3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans, are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs'!

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists from Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House and you would vote him back in there in a New York minute (if you could).

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

21. You have to believe that the vociferous minorities who protest against prayer and saluting the flag in school have far more rights than the majority who believe in God and country and want these values to be instilled in our young children.

 

[Cassie]

Also, someone obviously didn't do their research when they decided to write about the crusades. The muslims have every right to be pissed. Here's what really happened.

The Christians liked to go to Jerusalem every easter but they would get stinking drunk and get into fights with the natives over religious issues. There came a point when the Muslims forbade them coming back unless they didn't bring the alcohol with them. In retaliation the Christians decided to take back Jerusalem. So the Pope called for warriors to fight in the battle. He got little results so the Pope granted 'indulgence' to anyone who would fight. This gave them a liscence to sin on the voyage and all sins would be forgiven. So this group of 'Christians' raped plundered and pillaged their way over to Jerusalem to kill the muslims. Then they killed the Jews because the Jews once killed Christ, then they killed the native Christians because any Chirstians who were living with these Muslims and Jews couldn't have been good Christians in the first place. Then the Turks take over and ended the first Crusade.

The second crusade didn't get past Constantinople because the first group had raped, plundered, and pillaged their way through last time.

The third crusade is a very long story involving mostly fights between leaders.

The fourth crusade they decide to go by boat instead of land. After sacking the Christian city of Zora to gain the help of the Venetians, the Venetians drop them off outside of Constantinople instead of Jerusalem. The Christians then spent a year sacking and pillaging Constantinople and then go home because they are rich.

The fifth crusade involves a 'pure' army of children who are taken over by the italians in Genoa and sold to a Turkish Sultan who converts them to Islam.

The 6-12 Crusades are against heretics in Christianity and not against outside people.

 

[Goose]

Video, if you want to see what the American Government and the Major News Media doesn't want you to see, check this video. It is very graphic and it shows exactly the mindset of the people that we are dealing with over in Iraq. Why wasn't this shown on American TV? Political Correctness? Sensitivity? Embrace their Culture?

Warning, this is graphic, but will open your eyes to what is really happening.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/a...article5972.htm

 

[waxonwaxoff]

Scubajay,

Awesome! Nuff Said

 

[dno]

QUOTE(Scubajay @ Apr 27 2004, 12:22 PM)In my opinion the author speaks the truth. Liberals are frightened byt he truth. Examples below.

21 Steps to Become a Democrat -- just in case you didn't know, virtually anyone can be a Democrat. Just simply quit thinking (about it) and vote that way. If you want to be a GOOD Democrat, however, there are some prerequisites you must have first. Compare the below and see how you rate...
Its a lot easier to become a wingnut! Theres only a few steps to become one.

1. Listen to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hanity and take everything they say as the absolute truth!

2. Blame Clinton for everything!

 

[Cassie]

QUOTE(Scubajay @ Apr 27 2004, 08:22 AM)In my opinion the author speaks the truth. Liberals are frightened byt he truth. Examples below.

21 Steps to Become a Democrat -- just in case you didn't know, virtually anyone can be a Democrat. Just simply quit thinking (about it) and vote that way. If you want to be a GOOD Democrat, however, there are some prerequisites you must have first. Compare the below and see how you rate...

1. You have to believe the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.

2. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same kids about
sex.

3. You have to believe that guns, in the hands of law-abiding Americans, are more of a threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology, in the hands of Chinese communists.

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal funding.

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical, documented changes in the earth's climate, and more affected by yuppies driving SUVs'!

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being homosexual is natural.

7. You have to be against capital punishment but support abortion on demand.

8. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and governments create prosperity.

9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists from Seattle do.

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than actually doing something to earn it.

11. You have to believe the military, not corrupt politicians, start wars.

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good, because it supports certain parts of the Constitution.

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, General Robert E. Lee or Thomas Edison.

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas and set-asides aren't.

16. You have to believe Hillary Clinton is really a lady.

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere it's been tried, is because the right people haven't been in charge.

18. You have to believe Republicans telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and sex offender belongs in the White House and you would vote him back in there in a New York minute (if you could).

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites and bestiality should be constitutionally protected and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal.

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese is somehow in the best interest of the United States.

21. You have to believe that the vociferous minorities who protest against prayer and saluting the flag in school have far more rights than the majority who believe in God and country and want these values to be instilled in our young children.
What a load of unsuported absentminded propaganda! I would pick apart every one of those points one by one if I didn't have to write a speech for tomorrow! Republicans are simply afraid of change. They are much more comfortable with an archaic system that dosent work, putting power into the hands of few instead of many allowing corruption of the system. The party is mostly composed of middle aged white men with a lot of money who favor the rights of big businesses over the rights of the individual in order to swing even MORE money their way!

Now I am being quite the hypocrite here as this is also unsuported absentmined propaganda, but I don't have time to argue this right now and at least I'll admit it! (No offense to you scubajay, I'm sure you did not write that)

Also I would like to point out that I think both sides go too far. You guys are right in pointing out that the liberals don't really know the truth about the mindset of some of these people but the conservatives should take care to recognize that these are not the majority of Muslims and that there are other ways to handle these situations besides war.

 

[TheBlonde2]

Yikes!

 

[waxonwaxoff]

The party is mostly composed of middle aged white men with a lot of money

Not to get into a political argument, but THOSE people are pretty well suited to run anything. They are successful.

To each their own! Opinions are great!

 

[Cassie]

Sure, but while that may entirely be the case, power put into the hands of ANY particular group of people will have a tendency of being abused and used for their advantage.

But as you say, to each their own, opinions are great!

 

[fatcat660]

politics and religon very dangerous subgets to talk about

 

[29mirage]

I'm going to go make some popcorn, this is going to get good!!!!!!

 

[waxonwaxoff]

Come on, without Politics or Religion, what would we have to argue about??

I am a Republican, simply because I think people should be responsible and accountable for themselves...

I am probably not any more correct or incorrect in my thinking that the most liberal democrat. But that's just it, it's my thoughts...
That's why I said opinions are great.
(Unless they are not like mine)
j/k

 

[HazyMemory]

To me, They're both the same. They both have their heads so far up that they're nose is resting between their tonsils. I personally tend to be on the conservative side on most things.

 

[HazyMemory]

QUOTE(HazyMemory @ Apr 27 2004, 01:25 PM)To me, They're both the same. They both have their heads so far up that they're nose is resting between their tonsils. I personally tend to be on the conservative side on most things.
When I wrote that I was referring to American Political parties, but it works for religions as well.

 

[HazyMemory]

ok - so you know what I do not believe.

What do I think about the war? It saddens me to see what is happening to Americans there. We have done the same throughout history though in our vistories, just not since absolute media coverage. I think we should eliminate every person in that culture, notice that I did not say of that religion. Any part of the culture that remains will stil be a problem moving into the future. We really don't need ground troops at all. Once we committed to the job of war, we need to do the job, not be all half a$$ about it. This would have been done a long time ago if we would have just got to it and finished the job. There is no such thing as a civilized war, period. Yea, the rest of the world will be pissed for a bit, but F them if they don't understand, they'll get over it pretty damn quick. Too much of the world economy rides on the US for everybody to be upset too long. I am anti-war though and I am not so sure that it was a good idea to get involved in the first place, but since we did, we gotta finish it.

 

[Pacaderm]

Right On Scubajay!!
not Left off

 

[MONEYSHOT]

QUOTE(Cassie @ Apr 27 2004, 07:23 AM)Also, someone obviously didn't do their research when they decided to write about the crusades. The muslims have every right to be pissed. Here's what really happened.

The Christians liked to go to Jerusalem every easter but they would get stinking drunk and get into fights with the natives over religious issues. There came a point when the Muslims forbade them coming back unless they didn't bring the alcohol with them. In retaliation the Christians decided to take back Jerusalem. So the Pope called for warriors to fight in the battle. He got little results so the Pope granted 'indulgence' to anyone who would fight. This gave them a liscence to sin on the voyage and all sins would be forgiven. So this group of 'Christians' raped plundered and pillaged their way over to Jerusalem to kill the muslims. Then they killed the Jews because the Jews once killed Christ, then they killed the native Christians because any Chirstians who were living with these Muslims and Jews couldn't have been good Christians in the first place. Then the Turks take over and ended the first Crusade.

The second crusade didn't get past Constantinople because the first group had raped, plundered, and pillaged their way through last time.

The third crusade is a very long story involving mostly fights between leaders.

The fourth crusade they decide to go by boat instead of land. After sacking the Christian city of Zora to gain the help of the Venetians, the Venetians drop them off outside of Constantinople instead of Jerusalem. The Christians then spent a year sacking and pillaging Constantinople and then go home because they are rich.

The fifth crusade involves a 'pure' army of children who are taken over by the italians in Genoa and sold to a Turkish Sultan who converts them to Islam.

The 6-12 Crusades are against heretics in Christianity and not against outside people.
Do you know the dates of those crusades?
I just finished a book regarding the history of Jerusalem and I didn't read about much of what you wrote, sounds interesting.

 

[MONEYSHOT]

I didn't find the article offensive, sounds like it is for shock value to get the moderates off their butts and start taking action.

The fanatics will win the war, moderates won't. Unfortunatly I am usually a moderate, but because we don't voice our opinions enough, because we don't live out lives for specific causes, because we don't obsess over this stuff, we aren't heard enough. It's hard to motivate people to start getting involved, sounds like that is what the paper wants to do. That could be your son or daughter or brother next time.

Everyone needs to stop mixing religion with politics, once it stops, the world will be a more peaceful place to live.