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Figured it might be fun to vent a bit about frustrating On the water fishing etiquette flops


So the other day I took out a couple friends on one of Jimmy's boats and we were fishing for white off the point of metro. Had a blast but due to the wind we had to anchor our little boat every time we would move towards the birds to find the fish.
If we got on the fish very soon on or two of the boats in the area would crowd in on us and cut off our ability to cast to where were were getting bit.

We wouldnt say anything and simply move to another group of birds....but inevitably the same thing would happen...mostly with the same boats.

Still had a blast that day and it didnt really stick in my mind until recently when kayaking of metro point I got into a school of white again. They werent moving at all that day and despite many shore fisherman and several boats....I didnt see many fish boated.

Anyway I had one fish after another anchored up(well out of normal casting distance) and was enjoying myself when *sploosh* a cast lands not 5 feet from me . Some shore fisherman had tied on a massive spoon and was casting it right towards me and into the area I was casting to.

So, frustrated that this guy did this and remembering the other day's frustration...I waited until he did it again and shouted "hey...be careful!".

The last thing I wanted was a shiny new body peircing.

anyway...the dude responds by flipping me off and continuing to cast directly at me and if not at me then into the area I had been catching.

Well, Im not about to paddle to shore and start something with the dude....but I cant say I didnt think of a few interesting new uses for my kayak paddle...


I know these seem like everyday afair to you frequent boaters =) but to me this behavior is rather new ...and it was thereaputic to get it out lol
 

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Just being honest in my feeling.. You were way to close to the shore fisherman. They don't have boats and that gives them the right to fish from there location. You were in there zone. Expect that.

Just like in Port Sanilac or any harbor that have people fishing on the wall, boaters back off there casting distance.

Sorry if you don't agree but this is the way it is.

h2o
 

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Ive had the same problem, especially when fishing for whites by metro. I tend to stay on the opposite side of the school, and cast in from deeper water, that way im not in the way of the shorefisherman, but i can still cast into the school. There isnt too much you can do about the boats crowding you though, if you figure something out, let me know, lol.
 

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Opening day, I had a troller come so close to me I could read his T shirt (It was a Gander Mtn shirt), and I could see his bait swim under my boat. He passed probably 30' from me and gave me a dirty look for being in "his"path. I was drifting with my trolling motor, and I had to power up to move out of his way. I didn't even bother saying anything or making a sign. Price of doing business here.

I would recommend to trollers though, if you're going to troll, that's cool, but don't troll through the flotilla off Salt River on opening day. Maybe pick a section of more open water.
 

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QUOTE(h2o @ Jun 12 2009, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just being honest in my feeling.. You were way to close to the shore fisherman. They don't have boats and that gives them the right to fish from there location. You were in there zone. Expect that.

Just like in Port Sanilac or any harbor that have people fishing on the wall, boaters back off there casting distance.

Sorry if you don't agree but this is the way it is.

h2o

H ...were you there?

the one guy was the ONLY guy on the shore who came ANYWHERE near me or my casting area. I was further out than several of the boats that had been drifting and trolling the area....Read my post....the dude was the only one lugging the huge spoon and if the other boats had stuck around he would have been hitting them too. We were all way out of shore casting distance.

and so...No, sorry, I dont agree...and again Im sorry but thats not the way it is.

dont want to start a fight with ya H. Just thought Id share.

beng on a kayak I ALWAYS try watch to make sure I am out of the way of the casting distance and trolling area of everyone I encounter on the water...the only time I dont is when I purposefully wave to someone and approach them to talk to them

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Unfortunately giving each other space doesn't seem to be something that most fisherman care about anymore. Shore, boat or otherwise.
After the musky opener & getting to the point of wanting to start ramming idiot trollers I have lowered my expectations to where I just assume the worse. They will cut me off, troll over my casting area, start drifting right next to me, etc etc.

Unless you're willing to let your inner prick shine in all it's glory just be prepared to make adjustments as needed and always anticipate their next "disrespectful" move.

It sucks & I hate it but this is the world we live in today.
 

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First of all Brian no one has the right to cast a lure at you or in you direction regardless of how close you are to shore especially as close as the guy was getting. The fact that he was casting a heavy spoon in your area means he saw you were on fish and wanted in on the action. If it were me and he cast close enough to me to snag his line he would have lost a spoon. Sounds like to me you were far enough away from shore. You can cast a heavy spoon a long long way. Shore fisherman should respect boaters and stay out of their way just as boaters should respect shore fisherman out and stay out of their way. Chunking a huge spoon at someone or in their area is not in my mind reasonable. sounds like he had to make the extra effort to reach the fish you were catching. When Schram and I were musky fishing last Saturday a guy in a cruiser passed so close to us he ran right over top of our lines and when schram yelled at the guy he just flipped us off so schram proceeded to run him down and ask what his problem was and and told him he had the whole lake behind us to pass and received no comment just another flip off. Some people are just stupid and think their poop don't stink with no consideration for others. For every one person on LSC that has good etiquette theres 10 more that don't give a crap. I can't count the times I have been cut off right in the middle of a drift by people that are uncouth.
Brian, I have fished with you enough to know you would never impose on someone else's fishing spot or area and if you say you were far enough away from shore I believe it so don't sweat it. I know your better than that. We'll go out Saturday and bust some bass butt and maybe a musky.
 

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QUOTE(sirfishalot @ Jun 12 2009, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>First of all Brian no one has the right to cast a lure at you or in you direction regardless of how close you are to shore especially as close as the guy was getting. The fact that he was casting a heavy spoon in your area means he saw you were on fish and wanted in on the action. If it were me and he cast close enough to me to snag his line he would have lost a spoon. Sounds like to me you were far enough away from shore. You can cast a heavy spoon a long long way. Shore fisherman should respect boaters and stay out of their way just as boaters should respect shore fisherman out and stay out of their way. Chunking a huge spoon at someone or in their area is not in my mind reasonable. sounds like he had to make the extra effort to reach the fish you were catching. When Schram and I were musky fishing last Saturday a guy in a cruiser passed so close to us he ran right over top of our lines and when schram yelled at the guy he just flipped us off so schram proceeded to run him down and ask what his problem was and and told him he had the whole lake behind us to pass and received no comment just another flip off. Some people are just stupid and think their poop don't stink with no consideration for others. For every one person on LSC that has good etiquette theres 10 more that don't give a crap. I can't count the times I have been cut off right in the middle of a drift by people that are uncouth.
Brian, I have fished with you enough to know you would never impose on someone else's fishing spot or area and if you say you were far enough away from shore I believe it so don't sweat it. I know your better than that. We'll go out Saturday and bust some bass butt and maybe a musky.

lol! chased them down! there have been plenty of times I have wanted to do that too!

Unfortunately I cant quite keep up the guys who almost run into me lol!
 

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QUOTE(bassnbrian @ Jun 12 2009, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(sirfishalot @ Jun 12 2009, 10:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>First of all Brian no one has the right to cast a lure at you or in you direction regardless of how close you are to shore especially as close as the guy was getting. The fact that he was casting a heavy spoon in your area means he saw you were on fish and wanted in on the action. If it were me and he cast close enough to me to snag his line he would have lost a spoon. Sounds like to me you were far enough away from shore. You can cast a heavy spoon a long long way. Shore fisherman should respect boaters and stay out of their way just as boaters should respect shore fisherman out and stay out of their way. Chunking a huge spoon at someone or in their area is not in my mind reasonable. sounds like he had to make the extra effort to reach the fish you were catching. When Schram and I were musky fishing last Saturday a guy in a cruiser passed so close to us he ran right over top of our lines and when schram yelled at the guy he just flipped us off so schram proceeded to run him down and ask what his problem was and and told him he had the whole lake behind us to pass and received no comment just another flip off. Some people are just stupid and think their poop don't stink with no consideration for others. For every one person on LSC that has good etiquette theres 10 more that don't give a crap. I can't count the times I have been cut off right in the middle of a drift by people that are uncouth.
Brian, I have fished with you enough to know you would never impose on someone else's fishing spot or area and if you say you were far enough away from shore I believe it so don't sweat it. I know your better than that. We'll go out Saturday and bust some bass butt and maybe a musky.

lol! chased them down! there have been plenty of times I have wanted to do that too!

Unfortunately I cant quite keep up the guys who almost run into me lol!


It would take some hard pedaling to catch them for sure just sling a jerk bait at the boat and hope it hooks so you can reel yourself up to them. Now that would be a heck of a sight to see
 

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if someone was really trying to cast at your boat call the sherriff i seen 3 guys cuffed and walked off the wall in ludington last summer for casting at boats, i agree with what h2o says but from legal stand point the boater will always be right regardless of where you fish noone has a right to cast at your boat or you. they could cause serious injury or property damage and i think the sherriff /dnr will take the boaters side every time
 

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just thought id say one last thing about the whole spacing issue. I would not have posted this if I had been too close. I was as far out as the other boats fishing the area...I was NOT repeat NOT invading the shore guys "zone"

If this was the case then every boat that fishes that point in the same area is in error despite the fact that 99% of the shore casters dont ever come anywhere even close to them.

One guy ties on a huge spoon on light line and slings it further than anyone is casting anywhere....and Im the bad guy. I explained all that when I first made the post...dont know how anyone can read what I said and interpret it as I was too close when it happened...

Have I fished close to shore or other boats before? sure...but I always try to make sure I am not interupting And as I said I was way out of casting distance from shore. . (I use light berkley fireline, long casting spinning reals and that day I was casting a 1/8th and 1/4 ounce jig. I was casting a far distance...and my casts were not getting and could not have gotten anywhere near the casting zone of the shore anglers. This guy went out of his way to do something I considered rude....and would have HIT ANY boat that was in that area had they stayed...

what about when I am fishing the marsh....this guys casting would have crossed well past the island in the metro marsh ...so if Im not allowed in that distance I and everyone who fishes the marsh by boat needs to cross the marsh off our lists of where we can fish?

How does that make any sense?

Also as Sirfishalot mentioned this dude wasnt casting that spoon until I started catching the fish. If I had seen his arc of casting before I moved in I would have made sure to be well away...fact is he moved to ME and he made the effort to do what he did.
 

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Sirfish I have NO idea what you are talking about?? I would NEVER proceed to run down any jerk off on the lake as I have a solid reputation of handling things in a rather "calm and pleasant" manor.
 

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QUOTE(schram @ Jun 12 2009, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Sirfish I have NO idea what you are talking about?? I would NEVER proceed to run down any jerk off on the lake as I have a solid reputation of handling things in a rather "calm and pleasant" manor.

Well you were calm and pleasant in the what the heck are you doing kinda way.
 

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Do what I do when somebody gets too close, Shoot Them.

I always carry a Canon

I can easily zoom in on the MC numbers and call in a report. I can even help them identify the idiot my his nose hairs with the pics on the Canon.
 

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Well as being a shore fisherman lately at Metro I have no problems with the boats, but some of the shore fisherman I see do like to cast way to close to the boats.
I usually wait to see which idiot is going to run down one of the guys or gals fishing in their boats near the shore. Some of these young boaters need to check themselves on boating rules when flying past you boater drifting, and trolling.

On the other hand I always check to see which way my boating fishing partners are casting, and I just cast the other way, and then sometimes we just switch. Just respect I guess since their are enough fish in a very large area.

Now a guy in a boat with his dog caught one of my standing lines, and I brought his lure in to shore when we both noticed what happened. Then kindly set it back out for him to enjoy his day of fishing today. Nice lure though and I should asked what kind it was.
 

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That was me Dave,

Sorry about that. I was trying to keep my distance and I thought I saw you pack in your line to move to another spot so I made an extra long cast, and caught a line that I didn't see. I felt really bad about that. Thanks for being a good guy about it.


Part of the issue was I was being pushed in too close by some ruthless trollers that I was worried about being hit by if you can believe it.
Guys if I am casting with the trolling motor into the wind and have been maintaining my position and not drifting, and can smell whether or not you took a shower this morning, you are trolling too close to me.

Lots of "combat fishing" out there these days. Not as fun as it should be.
 

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"Anyway I had one fish after another anchored up(well out of normal casting distance) and was enjoying myself when *sploosh* a cast lands not 5 feet from me . Some shore fisherman had tied on a massive spoon and was casting it right towards me and into the area I was casting to."

What is normal casting distance? All I'm saying is shorefisherman have what's in front of them there zone. I would never agree it's ok to cast at a boat, but realize there zone and stay away. It doesn't matter if it's a big spoon or not. You can move out of there zone. If you don't, expect the worse. Even if it's wrong. No fish is worth taking a 3/4 ounce lure upside the head. See the big picture and stay away from the shore fisherman's zone. It's a big lake. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but you have the power to stop this from happening.

h2o
 

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QUOTE(h2o @ Jun 12 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>"Anyway I had one fish after another anchored up(well out of normal casting distance) and was enjoying myself when *sploosh* a cast lands not 5 feet from me . Some shore fisherman had tied on a massive spoon and was casting it right towards me and into the area I was casting to."

What is normal casting distance? All I'm saying is shorefisherman have what's in front of them there zone. I would never agree it's ok to cast at a boat, but realize there zone and stay away. It doesn't matter if it's a big spoon or not. You can move out of there zone. If you don't, expect the worse. Even if it's wrong. No fish is worth taking a 3/4 ounce lure upside the head. See the big picture and stay away from the shore fisherman's zone. It's a big lake. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me, but you have the power to stop this from happening.

h2o

h are you purposefully trying to NOT read what happened? I said several times that...

1)I was the same distance from shore that all the boats were.
2) this dude wasnt casting that spoon until after he saw me catch fish
3) I was plenty far away from shore and he encroached into my area....not visa versa
4) I respect people space this post was about someone not doing the same.

maybee im just paranoid or in a combative mood
, but somehow this seems personal because you seem to not want to hear what I have to say...if you have an issue with me..lets deal with it in private messages
 

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I don't have any issue with you. I'm telling you the facts and that is that. I'm done.

Oh I hear ya and your fishing to close to shore fisherman. If someone from shore can hit you with a cast your to close. So Back off there zone. Anyways you can have the last word as I see your after me and I have better things to do. Sorry if you can't except my feelings but that's the way it is.

Give the shore fisherman there space man. Do this and you won't have lures bulleting at you. DAH!!!

Good Day.

h2o
 
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