[DWC]

If there is an organization out there running shoddy tournaments at the state level, why shouldn't we know about it? Maybe it would open some discussions that could lead to positive changes.

If the individual was completely off base with his assesment of things, maybe a rebuttal by the organization or others that had a more positive experience would be in order. Sweeping the post under the rug and deleting it does no good in my opinion. It only makes things look worse by giving the illusion of trying to hide things.

There's nothing wrong with healthy discussions, even on topics that appear negative at first. After all, this is "Tournament Talk".

 

[icefishermanmark12]

Hey Doug, could you perhaps elaborate on exactly what you mean, for those of us who didn't see this post before it was deleted. I agree, if an organization is running their tournaments poorly, then we need to know.

 

[DWC]

Somebody was not happy with the way things went at the Federation Fish-Off. I won't repeat his issues since I wasn't there and don't know if they were true or not.

I just don't get why it was deleted. Why can't Tournament Talk can be Tournament Talk? I don't think that sharing negative experiences about a tournament constitutes bashing. It happened with the first Detroit Open - opinions were shared and positive changes were made. It is now a much more enjoyable experience for both the anglers and the fish.

 

[Big Dog]

It is odd the way things get moderated, or let go as nauseum in this forum.
Main reason I don't visit here very often

 

[Rono]

I caught the initial comment, but I did not see follow ups. I kind of agree with the original statement, but I guess I just don't feel as strongly about it.

For what ever that's worth.

 

[icefishermanmark12]

I fished the Federation Fish-Off a few years ago, and was extremely disappointed with the way it was run, from partner selections, to the weigh-in and especially the fish release. That's why I haven't fished it since. I would like to have seen the original post.

 

[Hammer521]

Mark,

It's pretty simple. We've had this discussion on here way too many times. Like Capt Doug said, somebody made a post about their dissatisfaction with the way the MI BASS FEDERATION state fish off was run last week. Ordinarily on a chat board like this, there would be discussion about the situation and maybe some positive changes would result. But that won't happen here because the moderator is a board member of the MI BASS FEDERATION and they simply don't tolerate anything that might show that organization in a bad light.

Capt. Doug's comments are spot on. This is a tournament talk forum. Why not talk about the tournament? The good and the bad. What went right, what can be improved upon.

You can argue whether this is an appropriate forum or not, but face it, we're in the internet age. This is a very effective way for a lot of anglers to share their thoughts.

If you regularly allow your FEDERATION to use this forum to tout your events, fund raisers and other things that you want anglers to know about then isn't only fair that you allow posts that aren't necessarrily complimentary to your organization?

Of course, we've been through this before and that's not likely to happen. As long as the MI BASS FEDERATION board continues to control this forum, there won't be any real discussion about improvements to the tournament.

It's too bad, it might have been a good discussion with some new ideas coming from the outside.

 

[Chefnutz]

Just curious, how does MI B.A.S.S. run the forum when it is put up bu AMS web designs Captn'Mike and Rob?? Just curious????Powered By IP.Board © 2009 IPS, Inc. Licensed to: Advanced Media Solutions

 

[Big Dog]

Mark, your complaints pretty much echo what was posted earlier.
The fact that the guy is a new member and it looks like he came here just to rant, was most likely the reason the post is gone.
I can see both sides, both the moderators view with a new member and the frustrations of a poorly run tournament.
Maybe if the topic is allowed to continue and people can discuss things in an adult manner, more would be accomplished and the mods can let the thread run it's course?

 

[Chefnutz]

A few of you know me from other forums and such, and I am sure not tourny guy. If a known member starts a thread with a legetimate gripe about anything, cool, let it go, blow up, get discussed, closed or resolved. If a member loggs on and in a first post(with other variables also beyond the post) starts a potential inflamitory/negative thread something is wrong. And in this case it was the other variables along with the post that were wrong.

 

[motocross269]

I fished my first Federation State Championship last week...I had some issues, but nothing earth shattering...I have fished BFLs and a host of other tournaments so I have seen the good and the bad...

I wasn't really pleased with the way that the boater/Coangler numbers were put together, some clubs didn't meet the requirement to have a Coangler for every boater and some clubs that did were penalized by not being allowed to use their full contingent of boaters...Doesn't make sense to me...My club for example brought 9 competitors to the championship, but were only allowed 3 boaters on the first day..Where did those slots go?? I would assume to clubs that didn't bring enough Co anglers to fill out their requirement..

I think some portions of the launch were micro managed, but we got blasted off and I guess that is what really matters...

Fish care..I only weighed in on Friday, but fish care seemed to be along the same lines as the BFL..Limited amount of bags, Aerated troughs etc etc...The only thing that concerned me was the release of the fish in the Metro lagoon, but with water temps only at 70 degrees or so it probably wasn't an issue....I didn't understand weighing every anglers big fish..I know it was for ties, but it slowed weigh in down tremendously..If the BFLs don't have to do it with over 200 anglers I don't see why it is necessarry for what they were trying to accomplish...

I thought the dinner the night before was great and the Raffle prizes were awesome (even though I didn't win anything)
The picnic food was great and I was starving after Friday so it hit the spot....

Overall I thought it was a good experience and I would fish another tournament..obviously there is room for tweaking, but there always is in any organization

There are some things that the Federation does that I am kind of cynical about...(For the life of me I can't figure out why they don't just ebay that boat and truck) but that is echelons above me...I think the tournament was ran fine, I caught myself laughing at some of the BS going on(Circling the wagons at Metro), but it was nothing to get worked up about...

Brian Bennett

Congratulations to the State Team members and good luck at the divisional..For both the current guys and next years crew...

 

[No More Mini]

QUOTE(Chefnutz @ Jul 28 2009, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just curious, how does MI B.A.S.S. run the forum when it is put up bu AMS web designs Captn'Mike and Rob?? Just curious????Powered By IP.Board © 2009 IPS, Inc. Licensed to: Advanced Media Solutions

Its not RUN by a board member, it is MODERATED by a board member. Hence the analogy of CONTROL.

I agree with Doug. It should have been left here and discussed in a civil manner.

A simple post stating that the original post described the actions of one or two anglers, NOT the organization. BUT the organization SHOULD take the information and inform its members that behavior like that is not tolerated.

Perhaps there is a conflict of interest having a board member of a tournament organization moderating a forum about tournaments. A non biased third party would possibly be a better fit. But then again, there are many conflicts of interest in tournament boards.

 

[Chefnutz]

QUOTE(Mini @ Jul 29 2009, 07:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>QUOTE(Chefnutz @ Jul 28 2009, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Just curious, how does MI B.A.S.S. run the forum when it is put up bu AMS web designs Captn'Mike and Rob?? Just curious????Powered By IP.Board © 2009 IPS, Inc. Licensed to: Advanced Media Solutions

Its not RUN by a board member, it is MODERATED by a board member. Hence the analogy of CONTROL.

I agree with Doug. It should have been left here and discussed in a civil manner.

A simple post stating that the original post described the actions of one or two anglers, NOT the organization. BUT the organization SHOULD take the information and inform its members that behavior like that is not tolerated.

Perhaps there is a conflict of interest having a board member of a tournament organization moderating a forum about tournaments. A non biased third party would possibly be a better fit. But then again, there are many conflicts of interest in tournament boards.


It is a good point that it should be fair on all angles. People shoult be able to state their issues with any tournament, no matter who it is run by.

 

[livetofish]

For all of your information - and not that I have to explain myself -- I did not pull that thead.

So on that one is was not a board member who pulled that thread and also - it was so made up that so was the name there was no person by that name in the fish-off, if fact there in no one by that name in the federation. So here you guys go backing up a guy that does not even exsits. hhmmmm
Barry N.
I put my name to my post.

 

[motocross269]

"I put my name to my post"

Me too....

 

[Chefnutz]

I agree with what Barry said.(he didn't pull the post either I know that too) That person, was a TROLL, I looked him up. If someone fished that tourny or any other and something was not right or could be better, let it out, build a campfire, lets roast some marshmallows and i'll watch

I love good conversation, some days we have hours to kill between putting out banquets(today, I am afraid is not one of them) You guys have fun and I hope the next tournament is off the hook!!

Chris V

 

[BryanP]

I didn't see the initial post before it got pulled, but pretty much agree with a lot of the subsequent posters. The total lack of organization at the state tournaments is the reason why I quit participating in them. Sounds like things haven't changed. The pre tournament meeting and pairings takes way too long, and I'm still baffled why they don't have the day 2 pairings finalized before day 1 weigh-in. Expecting everyone to hang out for the entire drawn out weigh-in, and then hours after that to find out their day 2 partner is crazy. Stren Series never has this problem and they have way more anglers to worry about. Simply reverse the boat order for the day 2 blast off, and flip non-boaters every 2 boats (example--boat 1 and 2 switch co-anglers, 3 and 4, 5 and 6, etc....) That way you never have partners from that day draw each other again. Print day 2 partners name and cell on day 1 weigh slip, or post them on the weigh trailer. Inevitably, there will be broken down boats and a few will have to drop out, so deal with those on a case by case basis. Don't need to hold up the whole pairings in case someone drops.

I know being a board member is a thankless job, but that doesn't make half-assing it ok either. Some of this stuff, especially the pairings, is an easy fix.

 

[Chefnutz]

Can someone explain to me what is the function of a co-angler? What do they do, how does the cost/ benifit differ from the primary, and what certifications, or credentials do you need to fish as a co- or as a pro, it is just interesting. Beyond knowing your targed species betterthen anyone, and lure selection, and safety. Just curious.

Thanks,

CV

 

[No More Mini]

QUOTE(BryanP @ Jul 29 2009, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>I didn't see the initial post before it got pulled, but pretty much agree with a lot of the subsequent posters. The total lack of organization at the state tournaments is the reason why I quit participating in them. Sounds like things haven't changed. The pre tournament meeting and pairings takes way too long, and I'm still baffled why they don't have the day 2 pairings finalized before day 1 weigh-in. Expecting everyone to hang out for the entire drawn out weigh-in, and then hours after that to find out their day 2 partner is crazy. Stren Series never has this problem and they have way more anglers to worry about. Simply reverse the boat order for the day 2 blast off, and flip non-boaters every 2 boats (example--boat 1 and 2 switch co-anglers, 3 and 4, 5 and 6, etc....) That way you never have partners from that day draw each other again. Print day 2 partners name and cell on day 1 weigh slip, or post them on the weigh trailer. Inevitably, there will be broken down boats and a few will have to drop out, so deal with those on a case by case basis. Don't need to hold up the whole pairings in case someone drops.

I know being a board member is a thankless job, but that doesn't make half-assing it ok either. Some of this stuff, especially the pairings, is an easy fix.

It seems easy to do it that way Bryan but then you have the risk of having to participants from the same club in the same boat. That was a rule in the State Championship when I used to participate. I dont think it has changed.

As far as why it was pulled as a "troll", I dont know. Maybe I am confusing this with something else.....I read about a comment from a self proclaimed non tournament angler observing people standing in a parking lot with a bag full of bass and BSing instead of hurrying to get the fish into the weigh-in line. And the bag breaking with the fish spilling onto the ground and everyone laughing about it. This is NOT good publicity and should not be tolerated by any "conservation minded" organization. Sure accidents happen......If I am mistaken then I am sorry.

But I dont think a board member from a tournament organization should be moderating a board where tournament discussions (good or bad) happen. Nor do I think a board member/director from one organization should be a board member/director in another organization. But that is just my opinion, aonce again, we all know what thats worth.

I wont elaborate any further about recent events here. That will wait until Saturday morning

 

[No More Mini]

QUOTE(Chefnutz @ Jul 29 2009, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>Can someone explain to me what is the function of a co-angler? What do they do, how does the cost/ benifit differ from the primary, and what certifications, or credentials do you need to fish as a co- or as a pro, it is just interesting. Beyond knowing your targed species betterthen anyone, and lure selection, and safety. Just curious.

Thanks,

CV

Basically there are three formats for tournaments.

Draw tournament: One boat owner and one non boat owner are paired together with each getting 4 hours (of an 8 hour tournament) to fish their waters. They fish against each other and split costs. Usually laid out in the rules as a $20 minimum donation for boat gas.

Pro/Am: The boater (Pro) and the non-boater (Am) get paired together and the boater runs the show. Its up to them as to where they fish. The non boater can give input (and usually does) but neither the boater or non boater can carry any of that info over to the next day (rule violation). The non boater fishes out of the back of the boat and the boater out of the front of the boat. The boater does not fish against the non-boater as there are two divisions with differing entry fees and prizes, but the non-boater is obligated to help with expenses as laid out in the rules. USually $20 for boat gas is minimum.

Team: A preselected team enters a tournament and they work as a team to fish. They are not against each other, but rather with each other and split costs and prizes anyway they feel.